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To: StrictConstructionist

Again, there is the failure to distinguish between general tribulation and persecution, and the Great Tribulation, which is God’s dealing with Israel and the world inn judgment.

If you conflate the two, then Bible prophecy makes no sense. When you recognize the difference, then it does.


10 posted on 11/12/2023 9:30:31 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: metmom

“the Great Tribulation, which is God’s dealing with Israel and the world inn judgment”

God’s “dealings” with Israel and the Church are not mutually exclusive.

* At Pentecost, ALL of the members of the Church were also Israelites.
* The early church apostles and prophets continued to embrace their simultaneous status as citizens of Israel.
* The Jewish believers of the early church, including the apostles who were led by the Holy Spirit and carried full authority over the Church, continued to participate in temple sacrifices and cleansings while the temple remained.
* This continued for more than three decades until the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. And this proves there can be and indeed is an overlap between God’s dealings with Israel and the Church.

If God did this during the beginning of the Church age, He can do this as well during the final years of Daniel’s prophecy. Daniel’s prophecy is about God completing His work in Israel:

Daniel 9:24 NKJV
Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

When will this occur?

More specifically, when will “all Israel be saved”?

Romans 11:26-27 NKJV
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”

Currently, there is a partial blindness causing Israel to reject Christ nationally. But Israel will be brought to repentance. Part of God’s plan for the Church is to bring about this national repentance by provoking Israel to jealousy.

Romans 11:11 NKJV
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

See Deuteronomy 32.

But again, WHEN exactly will Israel’s blindness be removed so that she repents nationally? Zechariah tells us...

Zechariah 12:10 NKJV
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Jesus was pierced on the cross. This passage is specifically quoted in that context in the gospels. But Israel, as a nation, did not repent at that time. As a nation, Israel remains blinded and unrepentant to this day. As a nation, they have not yet recognized that Jesus is the Lord Jehovah of the Hebrew scriptures. But this will happen when Jesus returns.

I suggest that this best matches His appearing AFTER the Great Tribulation AT the coming of the Day of the Lord. All of the tribes of the earth will mourn. But Israel’s mourning will be the godly sorrow of repentance. The Church will and must remain to serve her purpose of bringing about Israel’s national repentance.

See Revelation 6:12-17 and 1:7.


13 posted on 11/12/2023 11:05:12 AM PST by unlearner (Keep the faith. )
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