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It seems that both in practice and in writing, Pope Francis and his new vice-roy Cardinal Fernández have not come to terms with the concept of a “definitive statement,” and the impossibility of blessing what Scripture denotes as sinful.
1 posted on 10/03/2023 10:01:36 AM PDT by ebb tide
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My wife and I are trying to keep her mother from seeing this. She is a life long Catholic, with dementia, and not doing well. This may push her over the edge.


2 posted on 10/03/2023 10:06:11 AM PDT by redgolum (We are not going to make it, are we. )
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So in Frankenchurch, it's up to the individual priest to decide whether or not to bless active, unrepentant sodomites, but heaven help him, if he attempts to offer a TLM unless he has specific, personal permission from the dictator pope.

3 posted on 10/03/2023 10:08:44 AM PDT by ebb tide
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Mentally and theologically, this Pope is all over the place.

He does not have the mental bearing to be considered a serious leader.

5 posted on 10/03/2023 10:09:49 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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So the idea of ignoring Catholic doctrine has been revised to... If you want to ignore Catholic doctrine, go for it???

It will take time to clean up this Pope’s mess of the Catholic church.


8 posted on 10/03/2023 10:17:52 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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Thank you for referencing that article ebb tide.

"[Catholic Caucus] Pope Francis to clergy: Decide for yourselves whether to ‘bless’ homosexual unions"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Based on Proverbs 14:12, there is a way that seems right to a man but leads to death.

In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 warns "Do not be deceived" about sexual immorality including same-sex sexual relationships because you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

10 posted on 10/03/2023 10:27:39 AM PDT by Amendment10
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Not a matter for the Church, the Pope, nor any person to decide -

God decided this already. Scripture is clear.

All opposition is Satanic in nature and must be resisted by all means.


11 posted on 10/03/2023 10:28:00 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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So...can clergy decide for themselves that they will no longer be PC in sermons without being censured or even defrocked? That would probably get me back to Mass.


13 posted on 10/03/2023 10:50:34 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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Thank you for referencing that article SeekAndFind. Note that the following critique is directed at Gallop poll and not at you.

"Gallup: Voters Overwhelmingly Want GOP in Charge of 'Most Important Problems,' Reject Democrat Policies"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

The Gallop poll completely sidesteps the idea of a constitutionally limited power federal government imo.

In fact, one of the main reasons that citizens would need get in contact with their peacetime federal representatives is to complain about the price of postage stamps, delivering the mail being one of the very few powers that the states have expressly constitutionally given to the feds to dictate domestic policy.

In other words, most federal policy is now wrongly based on state powers, and uniquely associated state revenues, that the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal government have stolen from the states, state revenues and citizens' wallets stolen by means of unconstitutional federal taxes.

The next major political event in the US is not Democratic and Republican Trump supporters reelecting hopeful Trump for the second time, but patriots primarying ALL incumbent state and federal lawmakers and executives in 2024, except for MTG, Gaetz (others?), replacing them with Trump-supporting patriots.

After all, lawmakers and executives continue to show that they do not have the patriotism and leadership skills necessary to find legislative support for effective remedies for unconstitutional government policies.

Trump can endorse true patriots from lists that patriots who are up to speed on the federal government's constitutionally limited powers give him.

15 posted on 10/03/2023 11:05:33 AM PDT by Amendment10
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Pope Francis is a deeply confused man.
The question that nags me is, What was the Holy Spirit trying to tell us by allowing such a Pope in this time?


16 posted on 10/03/2023 12:37:12 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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Neither side is keeping this very simple. Here’s how this should play out ...

“Pope ... can we bless gay marriages?”
“No.”

Simple question, simple answer. It shouldn’t take pages upon pages and repeated questions to resolve this.


17 posted on 10/03/2023 1:35:16 PM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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