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To: JAG 5000

Knot twisting I see.

What did I say that no one would bother to look up?🤔

You claim that there is no solution except for what we can think up and in doing so make the sacrifice that Jesus made irrelevant!

If that were true why did God bother with the part where his son had to give up his life in such a horrible way?

According to you, everyone who thought correctly could be saved.

The original words translated as “hell” in some older Bible translations (Hebrew, “Sheol”; Greek, “Hades”) basically refer to “the Grave,” .. the common grave of mankind.

The Bible shows that people in “the Grave” are in a state of nonexistence.

The dead do not praise Jah,
Nor do any who go down into the silence of death
Psalms 115:17

After Adam sinned, God told him what his punishment would be: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

He would pass out of existence.

If God were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell, He surely would have mentioned it. God has not changed the punishment for defying his laws.

Long after Adam sinned, God inspired a Bible writer to say: “The wages sin pays is death.”
(Romans 6:23)

No further penalty is justified, because “the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”
Romans 6:7.<——

(Job 14:13) “O that in the Grave (“hell,” Douay-Rheims Version) you would conceal me, . . . that you would set a time limit for me and remember me!”

Meaning: The faithful man Job knew that hell (the Grave) would bring him relief from his pain and that God could restore him to life from there.

Meaning: Death, not torment in hell, is the full penalty for sin.

(Revelation 20:13) “Death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them.”

Meaning: Those in hell are dead. They will come back to life by means of the resurrection.

(Revelation 20:14) “Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.”

Meaning: After being emptied by means of the resurrection, hell (the Grave) will be destroyed forever, as if by fire.

Thereafter, death resulting from Adam’s sin will be no more.​
(Romans 5:12)

I suspect that you will come up with “confusing”, (to you) scriptures that talk about people being in Hell.

Especially the parable that Christ used when talking about Lazarus or even Jesus himself.

Most religions do believe that parables are at work here but That is a whole nother, in-depth study!😵

So .. death, the resurrection, Jesus being called “The Second Adam”: Where oh where would, or should all of this lead you and others?🤔


51 posted on 07/09/2023 10:12:24 PM PDT by justme4now (Our Right's are God given and I don't need permission from politicians or courts to exercise them!)
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To: justme4now
Another word translated “hell” is Gehenna, which is from most of these verses. This is a real place on the outskirts of Jerusalem; today a public park, back in Jesus’ day it was a garbage dump and incinerator for criminals’ bodies, and even before that it was called the valley of Topheth; child sacrifices happened there.

There is also tartaros, from 2 Peter 2:4; this is only referred to as a place where angels that sinned were sent to.
52 posted on 07/10/2023 12:09:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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