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To: Philsworld

You continue to prove you NEVER read or listen... just speak out of complete ignorance.

I specifically brought up and addressed these issues:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/4160858/posts?page=518#518

But you don’t read or consider. You prefer one-sided conversations where you just spew the heresy arguments you’ve accumulated. So, you remain in your blind ignorance.

The Sabbath rest from physical, work was a sign given to Jews.

As I’ve said repeatedly, JEWS continue to follow the Law of Moses, including circumcision and the Sabbath. The apostles even participated in the temple worship and offerings associated with it.

I’m not the one trying to change God’s commandments. You are. He NEVER gave a general command to Gentiles to rest on the Sabbath. You keep trying to change it.

There are no historical records of Christianity impacting the culture of the Roman Empire when it comes to slaves resting on the Sabbath. Jews were persecuted for their Sabbath observance, and these were the most notable times:

1. Hellenistic Period: In the Hellenistic era, which predates the formal establishment of the Roman Empire, Jews faced persecution under the Seleucid king Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the 2nd century BC. Antiochus sought to suppress Jewish religious practices, including Sabbath observance, leading to the Maccabean Revolt.

2. Roman Empire under Emperor Hadrian: In the 2nd century AD, Emperor Hadrian enacted measures against Jewish religious practices, including the observance of the Sabbath. These restrictions were part of Hadrian’s broader policies aimed at suppressing Jewish cultural and religious identity after the failed Bar Kokhba revolt in 132-135 AD.

3. Late Antiquity: During the late Roman Empire, particularly in the 4th and 5th centuries AD, there were instances of local persecution against Jews for Sabbath observance. This persecution was often fueled by religious intolerance and anti-Jewish sentiments prevalent in certain regions.

Christians were never generally persecuted for Sabbath observances. And there is no historical record of slaves in the Roman Empire ever being encouraged to rest on the Sabbath. Jews did not even believe Gentiles needed to rest on the Sabbath outside of Israel. If the apostles had taught slaves to rest on the Sabbath, it would have been a promotion of the Sabbath that even Jews did not do. And it would have resulted in the persecution of the Church for this specific reason, but that never happened. The Church was persecuted for other cultural reasons, but not the Sabbath (like the Jews were). Slaves worked 7 days per week throughout the Romans Empire, before and after the arrival of Christianity.

There is a direct connection between Christianity and the end of legalized slavery. The New Testament speaks in many places about slavery and freedom. These are discussed in their literal sense and figuratively. And there is a clear connection to the Sabbath:

Deuteronomy 5:12-15 NKJV
Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

Of course, this is yet another aspect of the Sabbath you ignore in your ignorance and blindness. Part of why the Sabbath’s physical rest is a special sign given to Israel (and not other nations) is because God delivered them supernaturally from their bondage in Egypt. It is a sign of this and not merely a remembrance of the original (first) Creation.

Do you see the word “therefore” in the last verse above? God gave the reason WHY Israel was to observe the Sabbath. It was because He rescued them from slavery.

Did He rescue the Gentiles from slavery? No, not from literal slavery. But He did rescue us from spiritual slavery. Likewise, there is a SPIRITUAL REST for God’s Heavenly people, as Hebrews says.

EVERY passage of the scriptures supports what I’ve been saying. I’ve answered EVERY objection with scripture. I’ve exposed EVERY false claim you’ve made.


344 posted on 06/30/2023 2:10:49 PM PDT by unlearner (RIP America. July 4, 1776 - December 13, 2022 . )
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To: unlearner

——>EVERY passage of the scriptures supports what I’ve been saying. I’ve answered EVERY objection with scripture. I’ve exposed EVERY false claim you’ve made.

I’m not the one jotting and tittling away God’s 10 commandments, you are. And, any claim that any one of God’s 10 commandments has in any way changed, or been done away with, is FALSE, HERESY, AND ACTIONABLE BY GOD.

In post 341 I made it very clear to you that EVERYTHING dealing with ceremonial/shadow/types, ended at the cross on FRIDAY afternoon, and forever. Luke makes it abundantly clear that the literal, physical 7th-day-Sabbath wasn’t included. That tells me that Luke, thereafter, kept the Sabbath, ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT, and so did all of the other apostles, including Paul, ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT. God’s 10 commandments also form the basis for the NEW COVENANT. Yes, the same 10 commandments that the old covenant was based on. The difference is that those in Christ keep them out of LOVE for Him.

https://www.biblelightinfo.com/covenant-seal.htm

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

“The Old Covenant was a promise by the people of Israel to keep the letter of God’s Law, and the mediator of the Old Covenant was Moses”

How did the Old Covenant fail? … Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

Deu 5:27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
Deu 5:28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Deu 31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

How is the New Covenant different?

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

The animal sacrifices under the Old Covenant were mere symbols of the yet to be sacrificed lamb of God, whose sacrifice, death, and shed blood would inaugurate the New Covenant. The New Covenant is also made with Israel:

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; for he is faithful that promised;

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

**The terms or substance of the New Covenant are the SAME as that of the Old Covenant, obedience to the Ten Commandments. However, the New Covenant is a better promise, a promise by God to write His laws into the hearts and minds of the people of Israel, and to remember their sins no more.**


346 posted on 06/30/2023 5:35:31 PM PDT by Philsworld (Saints are saints and angels are angels, except when they're called saints. )
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To: unlearner

——>The Sabbath rest from physical, work was a sign given to Jews.

No, it was always given to MANKIND, then inclusive to the Jews, as God’s chosen people, specifically. Now, it is a sign/seal of all who are “in Christ”, who recognize the Creator as their authority.

Those who dump on the literal and physical rest will never enter into God’s spiritual rest. You can’t have one without the other (I already pointed that out to you).


349 posted on 06/30/2023 6:00:36 PM PDT by Philsworld (Saints are saints and angels are angels, except when they're called saints. )
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