Posted on 02/12/2023 5:25:15 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
Here’s the difference between the SDA and a saved believer:
When you sin, you simply repent and try to not do it again. That’s a losing game, the flesh trying to save itself instead of crucifying itself. Rather than the Holy Ghost helping you, you have the SDA Commentary to which you refer to know if you’re sinning or not.
When a child of God sins, they see the sin by the power and grace of the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. The cure is also by the Holy Ghost. The more a person grows in Christ Jesus, the more he identifies more sin in his life, again by the power and grace of His Holy Spirit. This is dying to the world by crucifying sinful flesh.
Ravi must have had a problem with his vision.
Good thing for Ravi that there's no amount of willful, unrepentant sin that will keep him out of heaven.
Sin is the transgression of God's law moral. OSAS say that they are not under/responsible for the law. The law was done away with when Christ was crucified (nailed to the cross). If there is no law, there is no sin, no judgment, and no penalty.
Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Salvation means faith AND obedience, which the OSAS do not believe. Your group is forever saved at the nanosecond of grace. Obedience is optional (wouldn't want anyone to accuse you of being a legalist, now would you?).
The only people getting into heaven are believers in Christ as their savior, who keep His commandments out of love to Him. It's mandatory and they will all be judged by His law.
Here it is again, Claire:
Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God. 12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves; 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16In the day when God shall JUDGE the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
And Solomon said...
Eccl 12:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14For God shall bring every work into JUDGMENT, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Doesn't mean anything to you, right Claire? OJAS/OJAJ means just that. You're in, no matter what. Nope, the bible clearly says otherwise. Faith without works is a dead faith. We will all be judged by our works/obedience. Claim to be of Christ? Then you had better back it up with works/obedience.
Hmmmmmm, I wonder what this means?
1 Peter 4:17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
Hmmmmmmm.
BTW, who is Peter addressing in 1 and 2 Peter, and specifically 1 Peter 4:17-19? Why would Peter make this statement at all if Christians were OSAS at the nanosecond of grace?
Since there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ, you would do well to leave the text to speak for itself.
You have, again, lopped off what would give understanding of the text:
Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Why do you keep trying your hardest to pretend it’s not there?
-——>Since there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ, you would do well to leave the text to speak for itself.
Peter is speaking to those in Christ, who will face judgment, as every human will. The text speaks for itself. Nothing on this earth or in heaven will keep you from the Judgment, Claire.
You very likely have such anxieties over Judgment Day due to your lack of faith in Christ Jesus.
Well you should. You just tried your devilish trickery again in trying to make my post say something I never once said.
What’s Peter got to do with authorship of “Romans”?
You dare lie concerning God’s word. No wonder you are in such fear over Judgment Day. Well you should be.
You should also heed the very words of Christ Jesus Himself who speaks on those pretending to be Jews. That would be you, Phil.
——>You very likely have such anxieties over Judgment Day due to your lack of faith in Christ Jesus.
Nope. Probation closes (judgment) for all at the moment of death (could happen at any time), or at the end of the investigative judgment, when Christ leaves the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary.
Revelation 22:11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Of course, the judgment doesn’t apply to OSAS/OJAJ, because they were locked in to heaven once and for all at the nanosecond of grace. They are not held responsible for their entire lives of works/obedience. God can’t touch them after that nanosecond.
——>What’s Peter got to do with authorship of “Romans”?
God’s judgment.
Are you still a Jew, Phil?
Where in the Bible do I find your “Investigative Judgment” that began in 1844?
Are you still a Jew?
Got to let you loose, Phil. I’ve had all the stupidity I can handle for one day.
1 Cor 3:13Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
(The “day” Paul is referring to is JUDGMENT DAY)
Romans 14:10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
1 Peter 1: 13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Matthew 12:36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Eccl 12: 13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of MAN. 14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
….For this the whole duty of MAN
Are angels called saints, Claire?
Are angels called saints?
——>Where in the Bible do I find your “Investigative Judgment” that began in 1844?
Daniel 8: 14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
SDA Bible Commentary below:
Sanctuary. Inasmuch as the 2300 years project us far into the Christian Era, the sanctuary cannot refer to the Temple at Jerusalem, which was destroyed in A.D. 70. The sanctuary of the new covenant is clearly
the sanctuary in heaven, “which the Lord pitched, and not man” (Heb. 8:2; GC 411–417). Of this sanctuary Christ is the high priest (Heb. 8:1). John foresaw a time when special attention would be directed toward “the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein” (Rev. 11:1). The symbols employed by the revelator are strikingly similar to those employed in Dan. 8:11–13.
Be cleansed. From the Heb. ṣadaq, “to be just,” “to be righteous.” The verb occurs in the form here
found (niphal) only this once in the OT, which may suggest that a specialized meaning of the term is
indicated. Lexicographers and translators suggest various meanings, such as “be put right,” or “be put in a rightful condition,” “be righted,” “be declared right,” “be justified,” “be vindicated.” The translation “shall be cleansed” is the reading of the LXX, which here has the verb form katharisthēsetai. It is not known whether the translators of the LXX gave an adapted meaning to the Heb. ṣadaq or translated from manuscripts employing a different Hebrew word, perhaps ṭahar, the common Hebrew word for “to be clean,” “to cleanse.” The Vulgate has the form mundabitur, which also means “cleansed.” See on ch. 9:24.
As an aid to determining what event in connection with the heavenly sanctuary is here referred to, it is helpful to examine the services of the earthly sanctuary, for the priests in the earthly sanctuary served “unto the example and shadow of heavenly things” (Heb. 8:5). The services in the wilderness tabernacle and in the Temple consisted of two main divisions, the daily and the yearly. Christ’s daily ministration as our high priest was typified in the daily services. The annual Day of Atonement typified a work that Christ would undertake at the close of the age. For a detailed discussion of these two phases of service see on Lev. 1:16; see also GC 418–432. The prophecy of Dan. 8:14 announces the time for the beginning of this special work. The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary comprehends the entire work of final judgment, beginning with the investigative phase and ending with the executive phase, which results in the permanent eradication of sin from the universe.
A significant feature of the final judgment is the vindication of God’s character before all the intelligences of the universe. The false charges that Satan has lodged against the government of God must be demonstrated as utterly groundless. God must be shown to have been entirely fair in the selection of certain individuals to make up His future kingdom, and in the barring of others from entrance there. The final acts of God will evoke from men the confessions, “Just and true are thy ways” (Rev. 15:3), “Thou art righteous, O Lord” (Rev. 16:5), and, “True and righteous are thy judgments” (Rev.
16:7). Satan himself will be led to acknowledge God’s justice (see GC 670, 671). The word translated
“just” and “righteous” is dikaios, equivalent to the Heb. ṣaddiq, derived from ṣadaq, a form of which is
translated “shall be cleansed” in Dan. 8:14. Thus the Heb. ṣadaq may convey the additional thought that God’s character will be fully vindicated as the climax to “the hour of his judgment” (Rev. 14:7), which began in 1844. See Problems in Bible Translation, pp. 174–177.
Romans 2:
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O MAN, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O MAN, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Eccl 12:13-14
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of MAN.
14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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This is why we must gird our loins in peace.
Stop the personal attacks!
Quote:
At the World Health Organization Assembly meeting on May 21-30, 2023, there will be a vote to make recent World Economic Forum (WEF) proposals global law.
If approved, one of those proposals will empower the head of the WHO (Director Gen. Tedros) to declare emergencies and regulate the healthcare of everyone on earth.
If one individual, such as Becerra or Tedros, is empowered to declare emergencies to promote a political agenda, the U.S. and the world will soon be subjected to the political agenda of the Antichrist.
And yet, there are those who argue against the evidence presented that we are indeed witnessing Biblical prophecy unveiled before our very eyes concerning proof that we are in the midst of the last days of the Church Age Dispensation. Following this present time there will be a shout from Heaven and the Trumpet will sound.... 1’st Thessalonians 4:13-18.
(Further proof of Biblical prophecy on the horizon...)
When he arrives on the world stage, Antichrist, indwelt by Satan, and the False Prophet will seize control of the global political system (Revelation 13:4), the global religious system (Revelation 13:11), and the global economic system (Revelation 13:16-18).
All three are being rebuilt to accommodate the final government.
Currently, 10 nations have launched a CBDC, and more than 100, including the U.S., are exploring their use of them.
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