scripture flowed out of the early Church. The Church came first, the New Testament and the canon of scripture second.
Actually, the NT church flowed out of scripture, for an authoritative body of wholly God-inspired writings had been manifestly established by the time of Christ as being "Scripture, ("in all the Scriptures") "even the tripartite canon of the Law, the Prophets and The Writings, by which the Lord Jesus established His messiahship and ministry and opened the minds of the disciples to, who did the same, (Luke 24:27.44,45; Acts 17:2; 18:28, etc.)
And which body provided the epistemological prophetic and doctrinal foundation for the NT, which established its Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. (Mt. 22:23-45; Jn. 5:36, 39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.) In dissent from the magisterial stewards of Scripture, with even the veracity of apostolic preaching being subject to examination by Scripture. (Acts 17:11) Thus the veracity of even apostolic oral preaching could be subject to testing by Scripture, and not vice versa.
For God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of authoritative preservation. (Exodus 17:14; 34:1,27; Deuteronomy 10:4; 17:18; 27:3,8; 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15, 18-19, 30-31; Psalm 19:7-11; 119; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; Matthew 4:5-7; 22:29; Luke 24:44, 45; John 5:46, 47; John 20:31; Acts 17:2, 11; 18:28; Revelation 1:1; 20:12, 15 And thus as abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.
Moreover, men such as the apostles could speak as wholly inspired of God and also provide new public revelation thereby (in conflation with what had been written), neither of popes and councils claim to do. Thus the written word is the assured infallible word of God.
Priest: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (2 Cor 13:13)
Which damnably presumes all the hearers are regenerate, mainly under the false premise of baptismal regeneration, much less by proxy faith, and which is the basis for Rome counting even proabortion, proLGBTQ public figures as members in life and in death, as are the liberal laity. It is conservative RCs that are at most risk to being censored.
People: And also with you.
Which damnably presumes this separate class of celibate (normatively) sacerdotal Catholic priesthood is that of the NT presbuteros (which was not even manifestly separate from episkopos).
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Nearly everything we say at mass has its roots in Sacred Scripture.
Which equates to being scriptural as much as the roots in Scripture statement would for the doctrine of JWs.
and I ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, all the angel and saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God. (1 Thess 5:25)
Rather than being Scriptural, as you have been told before, nowhere in Scripture do we see any believers engaging in prayer to created beings in Heaven (PTCBIH), or instructed to do so, despite the Spirit inspiring the recording of over 200 prayers by believers, and despite this being a most basic practice, and despite there always being plenty of created beings to pray to, and occasions for it since the Fall. Yet the only prayers or offerings in Scripture to anyone else in the spiritual world is by pagans, including to the only Queen of Heaven see therein.
Note that elders and angels offering prayers (Rv. 5:8; 8:4,5) in memorial - like as in Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15; 16:9, "an offering of memorial" cf. Num. 16:9, - is not that of them being addressed in prayer, nor does it indicate that they had heard them previously, nor is it described as being a regular postal service, but it is one of the things which is a preclude to the final judgments upon the earth, testifying to the persecutions of the saints by the devil and world that it fit to be punished.
For when "He maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. (Psalms 9:12; cf. Genesis 4:10) and before judgment God brings forth testimony of the warrant for it, which includes the cry of those martyred souls under the altar in Rv. 6:9, and with odors representing prayer, akin to Leviticus 6:15, "burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the Lord." (Leviticus 6:15)
Nor can Prayer to created beings in Heaven be extrapolated from general commands to pray or from requests for pray from other believers on earth, for this ignores the God-ordained divisions btwn realms. Which is why Christ had to come down to this earth, while only God is shown able to hear all prayer from Heaven, which is a Divine privilege and attribute nowhere shown to be given to humans.
The only heavenly intercessor btwn man and God is said to be Jesus Christ, (1 Timothy 2:5) and by Him believers have immediate spiritual access with humble contrite boldness into the holy of holies in Heaven to pray to the Lord God, (Hebrews 10:19) while the Spirit within believers cries out “Abba, Father,” (Galatians 4:6) and not “Mama, Mother.”
Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. (Eccl. 3:13) It will become for us the bread of life. (John 6:35)...Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands. It will become our spiritual drink. (Luke 22:17-18)...Let your spirit come upon these gifts (water and wine) to make them holy, so that they may become the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Before he was given up to death, (Phil 2:8)
Philippians 2:8 states: "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." (Philippians 2:8) However, unlike this body and every appearance of Christ in the Bible, and whose manifest incarnation is stressed, esp. in contrast to a christ whose appearance did not conform to His physical incarnation, (Is. 53; Lk. 24:39; John 20:27; 1 John 1:1-3; 4:2; 5:6,8) and which manifest (sight, touch, smell, behavior) incarnated body is what a literal understanding of " eat, this is my body" (Matthew 26:26) "blood...shed for you" (Luke 22:20) would mean the subjects saw, then rather than at least a glorified physical; body, the Catholic bread of life appears as inanimate objects - bread, wine, which are said to no longer literally exist when the priests utters the words of consecration - yet which are affirmed to be the true body and blood of Christ, even though by all know scientific tests they would be shown to be just what they appear to be (bread. wine), as would the incarnated body of Christ on earth of Phil 2:8 which was crucified (human).
Yet as per Rome, the eucharistic body and blood is said to only be locally present until the host begin to manifest (and here visibility becomes important) corruption/decay, (CCC 1377) meaning showing that that they are what they appear to be (bread, wine), at which point Christ also is no longer present in the location under that appearance.
A much fuller documented examination of the Cath teaching on the Lord's supper is here, by the grace of God. Of course, your RC propaganda has been much refuted before.
Remember our brothers and sisters who have gone to their rest in the hope of rising again: bring them and all the departed into the light of your presence. (2 Macc 12:45-46)
2 Macc 12:45-46 in its wider context, does not teach of believers being in rest nor of Purgatory awaiting entrance into Heaven, but of men slain due to their manifest idolatry, dying in mortal sin for whom their is not hope according to Rome herself, while 2 Macc offerings and prayers are made in the hope of them seeing the resurrection (of the just).
Communion is distributed to the faithful at the altar by the priest and lay ministers.] Dismissal Priest
Yet, in contrast to individuals going to an altar to receive a bit of bread and sip of wine, with the focus being on the elements, and (typically) quickly dispersing or talking to select friends, ignoring others, as explained to you before at length, in the only clear description in the epistles (aside from Jude;'s cursory mention of the "feast of charity), that of 1 Co. 10+11, then remembering the Lord's death is by showing the care He did and the unity His death wrought, via taking part in a communal meal, as being "one bread" themselves, while to isolate oneself and ignore others in need was to not come together to eat the Lord's supper,
And since this lack of effectual recognition of others who were bought by the sinless shed blood of Christ, that of "eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken" (1 Corinthians 11:21) then the correction given is not a discourse on the nature of the bread and wine, but of self-examination and, "Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come." (1 Corinthians 11:33-34)
Well written.
Well done.
I hope this puts an end to the debate.
(LOL)