Posted on 12/16/2022 6:15:50 PM PST by Frank Broom
Does God heal everyone, let's examine that question. And once again you need to understand God's meaning of healing. In the gospels the words heal, healed, healing in The Strong's Concordance is #2323 and it means-to relieve(of disease)-cure, heal. Don't just look at that by the flesh. Because, if you do you will most likely miss it. God's word says in Isaiah 53:4, "Surely he hath borne our griefs(sicknesses and diseases) and carried our sorrows(pains and afflictions). He's talking about what Jesus would do when he came and sacrificed himself for us. For him to bear ours that means ours had to be removed from us. How does that work, it works just like he bore our sins in his own body (1 Peter 2:24). In Leviticus 16:21 you see a shadow of what Jesus would do. God instituted something called the scapegoat offering, that when Aaron the high priest laid both hands on the head of that goat and confessed over him all the inquities of the children of Israel and all their transgressions in all their sins they would be put on the head of that goat and he would bear them. That's what Jesus did for it says in John 1:29 that Jesus is the lamb of God that would take away the sin of the world.
So, just as he took your sins he also took your sicknesses. And sin and sickness is connected because if there was no sin there would be no sickness. Adam introduced sin in the earth and into mankind when he disobeyed God. But, Jesus took care of that by taking away the sin of the world by bearing them in his own body and since they are connected when he took the sin he also took the sicknesses. I like to use the example sin and sickness are connected like a flame and heat. If you held a flame under your hand you would feel the heat of that flame because everyone knows that a flame and heat go together one is the source and the other is the effect. If you take the flame away will the heat stay, no. If you take the source away the effect will go with it. You don't have to fight the heat just take the flame away. So likewise, you don't have to fight the sickness just take the sin away and sickness will go with it. Now, that has already been done in the spirit. And because it has been done in the spirit you can access it by faith. Romans 5:1,2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: (2.) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
You access the grace of God by faith, but there first has to be grace for you to access by faith. If there is no grace of healing then you can't access it by faith. But, here's the thing even though the grace is available doesn't mean everyone will receive it or access it. Notice, Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men. In other words anyone can receive salvation anytime and anywhere when they choose to, but does that mean everyone will be saved, no. And don't limit the word salvation to just being born again in The Strong's Concordance it also means #4992 and it is the same as #4991 which means rescue, safety,deliver,health, salvation. If you don't access the grace then you don't receive the salvation(healing) even though it is available. For example, you can't say God doesn't save everybody because He has made it available to everybody, but everybody has to accept what is being offered. Now, it's not about God doing anything for anyone to be saved, because He has done all that needs to be done for anyone to be saved. And even though it's God's will that not any should perish (2 Peter 3:9) doesn't mean that no one will perish. So, it's not a matter of if God wants to do it He will. Man has to choose whether or not to receive salvation. And people need to stop thinking that if God wants it done then it will just be done because He wants it. That is not scriptural, you don't even have to look far to see that. God told Adam not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that was God's will. But, did Adam still eat from that tree, yes. Was God's will done,no. It's not a matter of God doing, but it's a matter of you receiving or accessing.
It is not God's will that any should perish. And I wouldn't want to end this article without giving someone the opportunity to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior. It's very easy just pray: Dear God- I know I have sinned and I now turn from them and I invite Jesus to come into my heart (Revelation 3:20). He died for my sins and you have raised him from the dead and I now confess that Jesus is my Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9,10). I thank you for saving me, Amen
No Mr. Pharisee. You answer my question first and we’ll take it from there.
What reason for not answering it?
You are not a good faith poster and after this fiasco you will have graduated to my No Fly Zone List form which few escape.
Read the thread. It's there.
I've had to play this nonsensical game with other posters before who cannot answer simple questions.
You're looking for a way out of the conversation and hoping I'll give up.....because the answers you have to give will kill your argument. Doesn't work that way.
You're in check and about to be in checkmate.
Answer my question or quit.
What is you answer? First you say you gave a reason for not answering it but won’t say what that reason is. Then you say you answered it but don’t say what your answer is.
You’re one of the worst bad-faith posters I’ve come across here on FR. I’ll be surprised if you last very long here. As far as I’m concerned you are one of the minions of the prince of darkness just like your ancestors.
If you won’t answer my question which was an immediate response to your challenge, then I won’t answer your question.
And unless you show a modicum of coherence in your replies I’m going to dump you and move on.
All who want God to heal them will be healed.
Nothing in Scripture supports that....nothing.
Answer my question or quit.
Sorry, junior....I don't play that way.
You started this mess with an incorrect understanding of Scripture.
You asserted falsehoods I did not say.
You've been shown Scripture where others in the NT were not healed and you cite one of those as an exception.
You then incorrectly cite a passage from 3 John to try and support your false health and wealth theology yet refuse, as any good poster does, to provide the translation you're using.
So here's another question for you. Are your parents alive?
If not....did you pray for them to be healed of their illness? Any relatives in the same situation? Did you pray for them to be healed?
You see, false prophet, what you don't understand is if your position is correct....no one will ever die. The person would just keep asking God to heal them of any old age infirmaries.
That right there in itself shows the error of your initial premise.
Now sit down.
even though I have received wonderful revelations from God. But to keep me from getting puffed up, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from getting proud. Three different times I begged the Lord to take it away. Each time he said, “My gracious favor is all you need. My power works best in your weakness.” So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may work through me. Since I know it is all for Christ’s good, I am quite content with my weaknesses and with insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong (2 Corinthians 12:7-10 NLT).
Sometimes it is not in His will people are healed as we see in this case with Paul.
Paul is not the exception. There are many others in the world who are not healed for reasons unknown to us. There are also many who are healed.
To falsely claim, as you did, God will heal everyone just because they want to be healed is refuted by this passage in 2 Corinthians.
Checkmate.
I await my answers.
Who came to him for healing and wasn't healed?
Still waiting for an answer even though I couldn't care less what you say anymore because you are a bad-faith poster whose brain is scrambled with religious Pharisaical nonsense.
And talk about hiding, you haven't offered any affirmative about where you stand. You just do a fast shuffle, dodge and weave, take sniper shots and then hide again. Dang man you are well coached by the Prince of Darkness himself.
Do I go on? I suppose but not for long. Again, you base your pet and false doctrine on man’s or church’s traditions rather than than on God’s word like your ancestors.
[T]eaching for doctrines the commandments of men, laying aside the word of God and holding the tradition of men...” (Mark 7:7-8).
You couldn't checkmate my cat.
Nope. This was your premise.
All who want God to heal them will be healed.
Now you're moving the goalposts now that your initial premise was refuted.
Going to the Lord whether on earth or whether He is in Heaven doesn't matter. The person is going to the Lord.
So your premise has been refuted.
Awaiting answers to my questions which are piling up. And it's apparent to all who are reading this why you won't answer.
This has been really all to easy of a post to refute.
Hence....you remain in checkmate.
“God will heal everyone spiritually.”
Isaiah 53:5, “But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes, we are healed.”
I’m sure lots have been written about the actual meaning, but “we are healed” is in the present tense. My Dad would pray this for his physical healing (cancer went into remission but came back ten years later and he died at 72 years young), but also knew that he was ALREADY healed spiritually in the eyes of the Lord. Yes it is an ongoing process, but the victory over death and sin has already been won.
...and you are relegated to my No Fly Zone List. Have fun there.
You are a waste of time and I am done with you.
Rots a Ruck in your journey in Xanadu where scripture means nothing.
Your entire premise has been proven to be flawed.
And now like a little triggered wokey you run and hide in your safe space.
CHECKMATE.
You are such an idiot.
Didn’t you know that “all or nothing” thinking is for the immature and mentally challenged? You are tone deaf to the idea of an exception to a rule.
This hasn’t been anything close to a conversation. It has been me wasting my time trying to be reasonable with an irrational and incoherent sniper who hides, denies, and doesn’t stand for anything. You are a complete and total waste of time.
Why should I continue wasting my time with you? You don’t want nor love the truth. Seems to me you are in Satan’s corner. Why should I waste anymore of my time with you? You fail to acknowledge the gospel truth that everyone who came to Jesus was healed and the doctrine of God’s will that he wants his people to be in health and prosper as their soul prospers. You kick against that so hard. Unbelievable. But that’s what you modern-day Pharisees do. Just like you forefathers.
And I should continue waste my time with you?
Do you want to know the truth? Hardly. Do you love the truth? Not from what I’ve seen. You’re a Pharisee. You love religion and man’s doctrines and put aside scripture when it does not conform your pet, fanciful, and false doctrines which you deny having. But they are there for all to see. You hide in plain sight.
Your “checkmate” is you playing with yourself again.
Do me a favor. Take a long walk off of a short pier.
You beat yourself with your first post. You can take that to the bank. LOL!!
One of the easiest checkmates I've had on FR.
An act or instance of maneuvering the opponent's king into a check from which it cannot escape, thus bringing the game to a victorious conclusion.
LOL.....it was too easy.
That is the truth. Something you have little interest in.
even though I have received wonderful revelations from God. But to keep me from getting puffed up, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from getting proud. Three different times I begged the Lord to take it away. Each time he said, “My gracious favor is all you need. My power works best in your weakness.” So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may work through me. Since I know it is all for Christ’s good, I am quite content with my weaknesses and with insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong (2 Corinthians 12:7-10 NLT).
Scripture disagrees with your entire premise.
The Gospel according to ealgeone who doesn’t care about the truth.
You don’t think Paul is healed?
Think again.
All who want God to heal them will be healed.
Scripture disagrees with just about everything you say.
But keep trying and keep moving those goal posts.
My post was exactly what it said. YOU put in the qualifiers.
All who want God to heal them will be healed.
This is where you go off the rails.
BTW....still waiting on answers to my questions.
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