Posted on 12/05/2022 7:17:08 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
——>You run around like a chicken with its head cut off hollering about how keeping the Sabbath is your ticket to Heaven...
Saved by Grace (FROM PAST SINS), then, judged by the law.
Romans 2:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Eccl 12:
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
——>So, where is it? You said that I said I hated God’s law. Where is the post where I said that, Phil? Back up your claim.
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——>You go on and on...SDA’s, Remnant, how they’ve got their tickets to heaven punched “BECAUSE THEY KEEP SABBATH”
PROVE I SAID THAT. PROVE IT.
Just keeping the Sabbath isn’t going to save anyone.
Anyone who says that is a flat out ....
——>You’re the only one who even knows who Margaret McDonald is, LOL!
If true, your lying, false teachers purposely kept that information from you, Claire.
How you insult the blood of Jesus! IF you were saved by the Grace of God in Christ, then you were judged lawful by Grace. Your assertion tells us that you want the glory for your salvation because you have chosen to be judged by the law when God proclaims those who are in Christ by faith alone in Christ alone are -as in present tense- ARE as righteous as Christ by GOD's imputing Christ righteousness to them! Obviously that is not good enough for the cultist since he lust for glory for keeping the law.
Have you ever broken the law since you claim to have been saved by grace? If so then you are lost. Period. By your own false interpretation of the passage in the letter to the Hebrews, once you sin there is o other sacrifice to atone for the sin! You cannot atone and you have asserted that you sinned AFTER being saved by Grace! Ahh, so the god of the sda cult is a yo-yo god, who saves then condemns then saves again then condemns then saves ... you are so wrong it is almost laughable, if your eternity was not riding on your false doctrines which prevent you from salvation by Christ alone by faith alone with no works before or after that make you worthy of eternal life.
IF you claim you believed in Whom God sent for your salvation and were born again, then why would you lust for the glory of working to keep your position in Christ by keeping the law which even Peter told you is not possible to keep? ... Look hard, littleman, at your position for eternity. If you are counting on keeping the law to be judged worthy, you are lost, utterly lost. You are believing in yourself not in The Christ. You are relying on righteousness you think you attain keeping the law, not relying on the righteousness of Christ which is imputed to all who are truly born again, born from above.
Let’s start with this. Should be clear enough, even for you.
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God. Romans 3:24-25
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his OLD SINS. 2 Peter 1:9
Romans 2:
11For God does not show favoritism. 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous
I would laugh at you except you are so pitiful!
Which means that you have absolutely nothing. You can’t explain that, can you? It’s as clear the bible gets.
Grace covers PAST sins. Then, it’s judgment, based on the law.
“Then, it’s judgment, based on the law.”
Where do I find this in the Bible?
“Grace covers PAST sins. Then, it’s judgment, based on the law.”
How do you read the following passages? What do they have in common?
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal_3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal_4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
One of the MANY places:
Romans 2:
11For God does not show favoritism. 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
Pay attention, Claire.
Romans 6:
14. Not have dominion. Or, “not be master.” It is true that sin will tempt and annoy. Nevertheless, it will not have mastery over the true Christian. Therefore, the believer should yield himself with courage to the service of God, for victory over sin is promised him.
Not under the law. Literally, “not under law.” The definite article “the” is not used with either “law” or “grace” (see on ch. 2:12). Paul is not referring here primarily to any law in particular but to law as a principle. His point is that Christians are not under law as a way of salvation, but under grace. Law cannot save a sinner, nor can law put an end to sin or its dominion. Law reveals sin (ch. 3:20), and because of the sinfulness of man, law, as it were, causes transgression to increase (ch. 5:20). Law cannot forgive sin, nor can law provide any power to overcome it. The sinner who seeks to be saved under law will find only condemnation and deeper enslavement to sin. Wherever the principle is held that man can save himself by his own works, there is no effective barrier against sin (DA 35, 36).
But the Christian does not look for salvation legalistically, as if he could be saved by his own works of obedience (ch. 3:20, 28). He acknowledges that he is a transgressor of the divine law, that in his own strength he is wholly incapable of fulfilling its requirements, that he justly deserves to be under its condemnation, and surrenders himself through faith in Christ to the grace and mercy of God. Then, by the grace of God (see on v. 24), his sinful past is forgiven and he receives divine power to walk in newness of life. When a man is “under law,” despite his best efforts sin continues to have dominion over him, because the law cannot set him free from the power of sin. Under grace, however, the struggle against sin is no longer a forlorn hope, but a certain triumph.
The offer to be under grace, thus to have victory over sin, and the enabling power for the attainment of every virtue, have been extended to every one of the descendants of Adam (John 3:16). But many have blindly or stubbornly chosen to remain under law. Even many who profess an earnest desire to be saved prefer to remain under law, as if they could commend themselves to God and earn salvation by their own obedience to law. Such was the experience of the Jews, and such is the experience of many professed Christians today, who in their pride of self-righteousness are not willing to acknowledge their own helplessness and to surrender themselves wholly to the mercy and transforming grace of God.
Paul is saying that as long as a man is under law he remains also under the dominion of sin, for law cannot save one from either the condemnation or the power of sin. But those who are under grace receive not only release from condemnation (Rom. 8:1) but also power to overcome (ch. 6:4). Thus sin no longer will have dominion over them.
15. Shall we sin? See on v. 1. The form of the Greek verb may suggest the occasional act of sin, as compared with the continuing in a life of sin of v. 1. May we indulge ourselves in sin once in a while now that we are not under law but under grace? Paul’s answer is that any indulgence in sin is a return to that bondage to sin from which grace has released the sinner.
To suppose that being under grace means that the believer is now at liberty to disobey the moral law of God with impunity is to misunderstand completely God’s whole purpose in the plan of salvation. It was man’s violation of God’s law in the first place that caused God in His love to offer grace to the sinner. By the grace of God man is released from sin’s rule. How then can anyone conceive it to be right or reasonable deliberately to place himself back in the old bondage? To disobey God’s law is to become once again the servant of sin, for disobedience to divine law is sin (1 John 3:4), and whoever goes on sinning is the servant of sin (John 8:34). To continue in the indulgence of sin after accepting the pardoning and transforming grace of God is to deny the very purpose of that grace. Whoever refuses to allow the grace of God to bring him into more and more perfect obedience to divine law is rejecting grace itself and thereby turning his back on freedom and salvation.
Under the law. Literally, “under law,” as in v. 14 (see comment there).
God forbid. See on ch. 3:4.
SDA Bible Commentary
From the above quote: (Still SDA Bible Commentary, Claire)
To suppose that being under grace means that the believer is now at liberty to disobey the moral law of God with impunity is to misunderstand completely God’s whole purpose in the plan of salvation. It was man’s violation of God’s law in the first place that caused God in His love to offer grace to the sinner. By the grace of God man is released from sin’s rule. How then can anyone conceive it to be right or reasonable deliberately to place himself back in the old bondage? To disobey God’s law is to become once again the servant of sin, for disobedience to divine law is sin (1 John 3:4), and whoever goes on sinning is the servant of sin (John 8:34). To continue in the indulgence of sin after accepting the pardoning and transforming grace of God is to deny the very purpose of that grace. Whoever refuses to allow the grace of God to bring him into more and more perfect obedience to divine law is rejecting grace itself and thereby turning his back on freedom and salvation.
No. If you will care to read it again, it states that:
God does not show favoritism;
that all who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law,
all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God,
but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
The Apostle Paul is going to go on for a while in his presentation before knocking out the home run in Chapter 4 with the justification of Abraham by faith, apart from the law.
If you will care to notice, it doesn’t say that you are saved by grace and, “Then, it’s judgment, based on the law.” There’s only law and apart from the law in the few verses quoted. Of those regarding the law, there are the hearers only and there are the doers. (You might want to notice what is missing.)
Should you care to indulge yourself further, it might be gratifying for you to read to verses 17 & 18, as it will frame or “true up” in part the thoughts of the dear Apostle Paul, and explain his intent and focus going forward: “Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;”
Keep reading it. You will find Paul solidly laying the groundwork for his case, which he’ll show in Chapter 3, the righteousness of God by faith, beginning with, “But now” at v. 21.
“Romans.” It ain’t called “law school” for nothin’.
Having read his argument to this point, and looking at it through a Jewish lens ever so briefly: “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,” Romans 3:24-25 should read a lot different to you. “Past” and in the sense that there was no real remedy up to and until the time that God set forth Christ Jesus to be a propitiation for sin.
Paul would have been the last person to make a case for what you believe is stated. He refutes that line of thinking over and over again. (See my prior post for just a few places.) That his target was Abraham should also shed more light on the matter.
It may seem at odds with other verses regarding the grace of God in Christ Jesus, but it’s not because it’s not saying what you think. “Through the forbearance of God” should also help to resolve any conflict in a person’s thoughts regarding the passage. Or, look at it this way: Not only for sins committed today and forward, but for the past sins of Israel … since the blood of bulls and goats could never do it – which, if Jewish, that would have absolutely been your belief - and also considering that to be forgiven previously one would have only done so either by 1) not being under the law in the first place and living righteously without it; or 2) by being under the priestly system of Israel using the stopgap temporary measure given them until the time of Christ Jesus’ earthly appearance and when sin could be forgiven by His shed blood as the only true propitiation for sin.
It’s NOT saying to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past only. That’s abusing the language, even though it may be a bit hard to understand at first and particularly so if divorced from the surrounding text. It’s saying that Christ Jesus didn’t just die for the future sins of man, but also for those that are past sins. His blood covers pre-cross and post-cross, iow, and, more particularly, those sins Israel committed during the dispensation of the law.
If you were a Jew at that time, you might have said, “Well Christ Jesus’ death covers my sins from the cross forward,” but that would have been only half right. It’s error to say that His death and His blood didn’t cover past sins, also. Jesus has always and ever been the only true remedy for the sin of mankind: past, present and future.
My post 1194 is in response to post your post 1191 rather than 1188.
Here is wisdom!
And all praise to The One who grants understanding.
Amen ... see you in the clouds.
No, Claire, you need to deal with 1186 and these 2 texts, that DIRECTLY REFUTE your ridiculous OSAS false doctrine. Or, should I just add it to the list that you and fake OSAS Christians refuse to address? Maybe MHG can address it? Nope.
Face it Claire, OSAS/OJAJ/PTR are false doctrines. Satan has fooled you.
Game, set, match.
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God. Romans 3:24-25
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his OLD SINS. 2 Peter 1:9
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?So you, cultist, want to be under the law! well you are acursed thereunder since you cannot keep the law to perfection. And jsut so your twisted cult mind dioesn't miss ity, I am referring to the Ten Commandments.Gal_3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal_4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
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