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To: MurphsLaw

Our lady of Guadalupe
Hand maid of the LORD
The mother of my Lord
Made-up word but ok, THEOTOKOS

Excellent point and you even included a made-up word of blasphemy, thanks. Oh, I did correct the capitalization problems you had though.

I don’t know how I missed the first one, I have seen that abomination up close and personal, it just horrible to see all the golden shrines errected in the name of a demon.

“Could you add another title to that ever-growing list?”
Curious, just how many names do you have for our Lord Jesus Christ? I’m sure that as you say the ever-growing list will grow larger than the names of Lord Jesus if it hasn’t already.


600 posted on 12/16/2022 7:25:04 PM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: mrobisr

“THEOTOKOS”

While Jesus is God in the flesh your simplified answer doesn’t make the truth that simple.

1. Holy Scripture never calls Mary mother of God.
2. Can God die? No He is eternal, Isaiah 40:28 and many others
3. Can or did Jesus die? Yes,1 Cor 15:3
4. Is belief in God alone enough to save your soul? No, John 14:6
Now if your answer was as simple as you implied the answer should be yes, but it’s not.
Mary is not part of the Godhead therefore she is NOT the mother of God. Calling her such would imply her as superior to God because the parent is always before the child and that just isn’t the truth of the Gospel.

Question: “Is Mary the mother of God (Theotokos)?”

Answer: The phrase “mother of God” originated with and continues to be used in the Roman Catholic Church. One of the topics at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431 was the use of the Greek term Theotókos, or “God-bearer,” in reference to Mary. That council officially proclaimed Mary as the “mother of God,” and the doctrine was later included in the Catholic catechism. The idea behind calling Mary the “mother of God” is that, since Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, she is the mother of God.

The major problem with this logic is that the term “God” implies the totality of Yahweh, and we know that Yahweh has no beginning and no end (Psalm 90:2). First Timothy 6:15-16 says that God is immortal. Being immortal, God never was “born” and never had a “mother.” The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary’s womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

Philippians 2:6–7 gives us a bit more insight on what transpired when Jesus left heaven to become man. The New Living Translation says, “Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being.” Jesus was already one with the Father, but He set aside His rights as Divinity and took the form of a baby (John 1:1). He went on to live the normal life of a Jewish boy, obeying His earthly parents (Luke 2:51).

A mother by definition precedes her child and at some point is more powerful than her child. So to call Mary the “mother of God” gives the misleading implication that Mary preceded and at one time was more powerful than the Lord God Almighty. Although Catholic doctrine tries to deny this implication, it is inescapable.

It is biblical to say that Mary was the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ during His incarnation on the earth. However, Catholics believe it is not enough to say that Mary was the mother of Jesus. Pope John Paul II, in a speech in 1996, encouraged people “not only to invoke the Blessed Virgin as the Mother of Jesus, but also to recognize her as Mother of God” (L’Osservatore Romano, 4 December 1996, p. 11). This is not biblical. The Lord God Almighty has no mother, since He has no beginning and no end (Genesis 1:1; Revelation 4:8).
https://www.gotquestions.org/Mary-mother-God-theotokos.html


603 posted on 12/16/2022 7:49:24 PM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it is that simple!)
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To: mrobisr
Our lady of Guadalupe
Hand maid of the LORD
The mother of my Lord
Made-up word but ok, THEOTOKOS


So you understand- Our Lady of Guadalupe is not something the Blessed Virgin has bestowed upon herself-
It comes from those who adore her -
So while that title- and her many other titles may be attached to the Church "ambience" - they remain only that- just titles for those who identify with how Mary exists in their faith life for them.
Obviously I wouldnt in my part of the U.S. venerate her as "my" My Lady of Guadalupe"
Now yes in Texas they would and of course Mexico.
It is odd you would be indifferent 5though, to the history of converting millions of people to Christ in a continent that was always purely Pagan, fixated on human sacrifice.
The question for you would be- would you rather choose not to believe Guadalupe happened ? - and that Mexico and S.A. remained pagan for millions of souls, forever non- Christian?

Equally odd about your list- is that as you rant on about things "not in the bible"- at the same time your list omitted (purposefully?) Mary's very scriptural title of Handmaid of the Lord- as SHE titled of herself.. in Luke- Which we read EVERY year at Advent in the infancy narrative.
(Which just so happens to be TODAYS ! Mass Gospel reading...
In fact in Luke- this is where the custom of titling Mary with different roles or names actually starts.
And "handmaid of the Lord"... well obviously that is not a title to decrbe her life's entirety? is it ?
After all- as a common Jewish girl, having many other children- bsons and daughers... the purpose of her life was not just about being a "handmaid"...
So you can see ho titles describing certain aspects can come about this way. Elizabeth calling Mary "The Mother of My Lord" is another title - also found in scripture that you should add to the list for accuracy - is another way this comes about...

Mary IS something to everyone... you just have to let her in.


607 posted on 12/20/2022 5:29:30 AM PST by MurphsLaw ("Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." )
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