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The Abolitionist John Brown is no model for Christian engagement
Christian Post ^ | 07/27/2022 | Mark Tooley

Posted on 07/28/2022 2:16:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 07/28/2022 2:16:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Nobody was ever more justly hanged” — Nathaniel Hawthorne


2 posted on 07/28/2022 2:20:58 PM PDT by decal (They won't stop, so they'll have to be stopped)
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To: SeekAndFind

According to some, John Brown’s body lies a’mouldering in a grave.


3 posted on 07/28/2022 2:25:25 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmark


4 posted on 07/28/2022 2:25:27 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: SeekAndFind
Politics is never more potentially dangerous than when claiming to be based on the inflexible absolutism of “thus saith the Lord.” Instead, Christians should, amid our own sins and limitations, seek wisdom and knowledge for advancing approximate justice whenever possible through providentially patient and peaceful collaboration. John Brown only models what to avoid: violent and zealous self-assurance.

How does this logic/perspective apply to the Christian insurrectionists who we refer to as the Founding Fathers?

5 posted on 07/28/2022 2:28:40 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: SeekAndFind

Terrorist.


6 posted on 07/28/2022 2:32:51 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: SeekAndFind
Lincoln in his Second Inaugural surmised the war was divine judgment for the injustice of slavery.

And what most people don't know is that in his first inaugural, he called for the passage of an amendment to the US Constitution which made slavery permanent.

When you look on his entire life, you begin to realize he was a lying politician in it just for the power and money, but good with public relations and flowery speeches.

Lincoln was an excellent flim-flam man. That was why he was such a good lawyer.

Oh, and he was an atheist for most of his life.

7 posted on 07/28/2022 2:33:02 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Looking at the last 2000 years or so of Western history, it is not unreasonable to see John Brown as being in line with Christian tradition, if not Christ’s teaching.
He was a psychopathic, arguably genocidal, murderer who saw himself as an enforcer of Christian principle. How this differentiates him from Bishop Theophilus who burned the Library at Alexandria, the Christians who killed the female mathematician, Hypolita, the Crusaders who killed every Jew and Muslim in Jerusalem during the First Crusade, the Spanish Inquisition, the genocidal treatment of Native Americans and the collaboration of millions of European Christians including Pope Pius XII in the Holocaust.
I could easily continue.


8 posted on 07/28/2022 2:33:46 PM PDT by georgecorgi
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No mention of the murder of Heyward Shepherd by Brown's insurrectionists. And I don't know why.
9 posted on 07/28/2022 2:38:20 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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John 8:44


10 posted on 07/28/2022 2:40:29 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Sirius Lee

Simulation!

A couple hours ago I excerpted a few lines of Pete Seeger lyrics.


11 posted on 07/28/2022 3:00:37 PM PDT by Born in 1950 (Anti left, nothing else.)
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To: SeekAndFind
On October 18, 1859, U.S. Marines commanded by Colonel Robert E. Lee and Lieutenant J.E.B. Stuart, both of whom were destined to become famous Civil War generals, recaptured the arsenal, taking John Brown and several other raiders alive. On November 2, Brown was sentenced to death by hanging with the sentence carried out on December 2nd.
They didn't waste any time back then, did they?
12 posted on 07/28/2022 3:02:54 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Louis XVI of France and I share a common ancestor, but I still have my head.)
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“. . . not unreasonable to see John Brown as being in line with Christian tradition, if not Christ’s teaching.”

You are very wise to draw a distinction between “tradition” and Christ’s teaching.

Still, your post comes across to me as a smear of Christianity; but maybe you intended something else.


13 posted on 07/28/2022 3:04:38 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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Christian practice pretty much from Constantine’s adoption of it for the Roman Empire to Martin Luther’s nailing of the 95 Theses on the Wittenberg Cathedral was truly horrible. It was ISIS Taliban level awful. Even afterward, much of Europe was still bathed in violent ignorance. Tsarist Russia and the Iberian Peninsula come to mind.


14 posted on 07/28/2022 3:16:56 PM PDT by georgecorgi
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To: SeekAndFind

John Brown was more dangerous than David Koresh


15 posted on 07/28/2022 3:23:36 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: DiogenesLamp
“…….. he called for the passage of an amendment to the US Constitution which made slavery permanent.”

This outright lie of yours disqualifies anything further you have to say.

16 posted on 07/28/2022 3:35:42 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Life is what you make it.)
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None of the acts you mention are supportable by Scripture. And your understanding of many of those acts sounds bereft of their historical context, or is just atheistic propaganda gibberish. (For example, even the usually anti-Christian Wikipedia site debunks the Library of Alexandria myth - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria)

As an example, after the Reconquista pushing back Islamic conquests in Iberia, mobs and Spanish nobles were known for torturing and abusing suspected heretics. The Catholic Church stepped in to say, not unreasonably, that illiterate mobs and nobles shouldn't be the ones deciding who was and was not a Christian. Thus the Inquisition was born, not as an extremist effort of the Catholic church but the opposite, to squash the extremism of those whose affiliation with the church was often weak and questionable itself.

Ironically, judgmental critics like you portray the Inquisition as an example of Christian extremism. But it was part of a religious body that had long gone off the rails in abandoning Christian faith and teaching itself. And as a result its mission to hunt and prosecute heretics became focused on actual Christians as the Reformation got under way.

Ignorant critics fail to understand that anyone who said they were not a Christian was automatically outside the scope of the Inquisition and immediately shown the door (what happened to them after they stepped into the street was another matter, of course.) It was Christians like myself who were hunted and persecuted by the Inquisition. And now have to deal with fools who get their understanding of the Inquisition exactly backwards today.

17 posted on 07/28/2022 3:37:19 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: SeekAndFind

John Brown is the very model of an insurrectionist.

Not some parade goers like Jan 6th.


18 posted on 07/28/2022 3:38:42 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: HandyDandy

Not going to indulge your refusal to face the truth. Yes, the Corwin Amendment makes slavery permanent so far as Lincoln was concerned.


19 posted on 07/28/2022 3:40:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind; All

R E Lee, a genuine Christian gentleman and one of the true giants in the American panoply is being erased from history by evil pygmies.

John Brown was a psychopath who enjoyed murdering people and salivated at the thought of ignighting a race war that would have killed untold thousands. The shit bird that wrote the article for CT is no better. There is no compromise with the woke human garbage.


20 posted on 07/28/2022 3:40:31 PM PDT by robowombat (Orth, all y )
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