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To: MurphsLaw
Oh my, such an error! And you will be unable to see it even after you read whaqt I am about to offer!

The BEMA Seat Judgment is real. It happens In Heaven for ALL those in the Body of Christ Believers. The way GOD brings fallen men and women into New Birth is through those He has birthed from above. They are converted by the witness of those He has converted, their lives. He is not using your Catholic rituals or rites or priestly utterances or incantations. He works on their spirit which is captured in their behavior mechanism. The behavior mechanism 'compares and contrasts'. Paul is warning the new converts to conform their behavior to a level which witnesses to those not yet converted. He is not warning so the new borns from above will not lose or forfeit their newborn status and be damned. That is a hard thing for a Cathoolic to grasp, being that that religion is a works based religion Christianity lookalike.

673 posted on 03/22/2022 3:49:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Yeah, your gonna gave to flesh out this BEMA seat thing... I will look it up... but not familiar with the terminology.
It sounds more like Purgatory somewhat to me though...no, exactly like purgatory; ie. forgiveness of Sins ... in the age to come":

Or, Is this the sheep's and goat judgement deal?
I would guess not, since that judgement brings works into account... and I know how you feel about that.

And so how many judgements will we have to go thru anyhow?

So the bottom line for you then is that our actions DO matter... correct?
Note I intentionally used the more palatable word "actions"- not works...

But you do not understand my dilemma,
Now most non-Catholic theology I know of says you can commit ANY sin - even murder... and the forgiveness of Grace does not hold the dinner accountable (Thank You Martin)... this is NOT your belief then, correct?

You like to "rail" on Catholics who cannot understand or "grasp" things because we are too "works" oriented (which is incorrect- we are both Faith + Works oriented)
But what YOU dont appreciate I'd that there are so many differing, contradicting rules of faith in your non- Catholic sphere (each claiming the Truth) and it is difficult to understand them all at the same time- or even to find coherency.

And now I'm thinking that has much to do with the variability in the non-denom thingy- which I am still working on to get back to you.
696 posted on 03/22/2022 8:35:01 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”)
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To: MHGinTN
That is a hard thing for a Cathoolic to grasp, being that that religion is a works based religion Christianity lookalike.

A couple thoughts here...
You have a penchant for railing on the Catholic Pedophile Priest and their sinful ways exposed in the scandals- and seems fair enough on the surface.. No Doubt God too has seen the affliction these men have caused...
But where do they fit in the BEMA theology...now I guess you can say they were never believers to begin with and were disqualified... but of course they believe in Jesus- for they get their turn still in the purpose of the BEMA seat, yes?
And can future positive actions in their life be taken into account at the BEMA seat and arrive at a different outcome?

I've never understood the non or anti- Catholic persecution of the Priests- who violated their Catholic office and in betrayal to Hod- sinned beyond all reason which is rightly or wrongly, judged contemptible by Catholics as victims of the Church...

But why would Faith Alone believers- where sin doesn't matter once you've turned your life over to Christ " as a personal Lord and Savior- hold these sinful priest to a higher or fiffering standard the the hold gor themselves?

God is all merciful no doubt- but I'm in no way suggesting letting criminsl Ptiests off the hook... I just find your invective against those bad- Catholic priests now to be contradictory... as it pertains u ns to even maybe this BEMA seat too...

Also if I may... the shot at Catholics being a "lookalike" Christianity...
from a perspective of logic...
There are sumple rules that allow one to know how to identify the Deviation as spun off from the Original.
In knowing the Original, you can define and explain the deviation on terms of the Original.
And this rule is proven by the inability to work it backwards, where one tries to define and explain the Original from the perspective of the deviation.

The Catholic Church can define and explain the deviation of the non- Catholic spin offs quite easily from its Catholic Originality...
But Pastor Debbie's Rainbow Grace Catholic Church down in the strip mall next to the laundromat could never be able to define the Catholic Church from her modern theology, since it is not of Original form.

"Lookalike" is a faulty ptojection on your part.
702 posted on 03/22/2022 9:43:10 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”)
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