Luircin is right. Why don't you just be honest and admit you will reject/refuse out of hand ANY answer that isn't in agreement with your own? It would save everyone from having the same incessant arguments with you across threads in the Religion Forum. That is really what seems to me to be the bee in your bonnet.
I'm not going to be naïve and hope I can persuade you finally, but I think this may be another approach to your question from a different angle.
You contend there's a difference between "consequence" and "penalty". That may be true in many cases - for example, if I eat too much candy, I may get rotten teeth as a consequence but if I disobey mom and eat candy before dinner and she catches me, I have to go to bed early as my punishment (which would be a penalty). In the former example, there is a "natural" consequence to many things which are ways that God has set up to teach us right from wrong. In the latter example, we have rules/laws ordained by men as well as by God that attach a "cost" to breaking the law - these penalties/punishments are intended to maintain order within a society. In parenting, the goal of consequencing is to teach the child a lesson that leads to positive choices and behaviors. The goal of punishment is to inflict pain and seek revenge. In some cases, consequence and penalty/punishment are the SAME thing.
What seems to me to be your sticking point is you believe before God that sin - repented or unrepented - should have a penalty. And of course, there IS. His word tells us:
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. (Hebrews 9:22)
Our Savior Jesus Christ took the penalty for all our sins by dying on the cross - His perfect sinless shed blood for the sins of the world past, present and future. The GIFT of God is eternal life through Christ. Either we pay the penalty due our sin - eternal separation from God in hell - or we accept/receive the gift of God's grace and live with Him in heaven.
As has already been explained dozens of times, the genuine child of God -- the blood-bought, born-again believer in Jesus Christ -- is saved eternally by grace through faith and not by works. When God's children fall into sin, He disciplines and chastens all those who are His. We may suffer consequences because of our sin but the PENALTY has been paid by Christ. This is not in any way a license to sin nor does it imply God winks at sin in our lives. Far from it! Just as you disciplined your own children when they did wrong, they never stopped being your child. God in His great mercy and grace leads us into holiness through the working of the indwelling Holy Spirit and we shall never perish, we will never be plucked from His hands, He will lose none of us nor cast us out. This is the blessed assurance He has promised us. We aren't saved by our own righteousness and we aren't kept saved by it either.
You're wanting there to be a penalty for "unrepentant" sin in a Christian's life but God uses love through discipline as He is conforming us into the image of Christ. I DON'T think God needs you to do a better job.
Excellent analogy.
Boatbums, so nice to see you again.
You are in my prayers and the prayers of others.
I’m sorry for your loss.
BTW, so much joy seeing you posting again. God bless you, sister.
——>As has already been explained dozens of times, the genuine child of God — the blood-bought, born-again believer in Jesus Christ — is saved ETERNALLY by grace through faith (and not by works)
That is certainly NOT what the bible teaches. If it was, Judas would be a saved man. But, he’s not. Judas was LOST.
Preach it sister!
I think you are right BB. By the way so glad to see you back on. So sorry for your loss.
I think there is a whole lot of Pearl casting here. Maybe we do it in case lurkers are near. I think there comes a time, when we tell them, fish or cut bait. I am of the opinion, that the more the cult members reject the truth, their hearts become seared and hardened. Finally, God gives them over to a reprobate mind (Romans1) Are they still able to repent and believe after that? I don’t know, but they are betting their eternity on their own doctrine, that we keep telling them is out in left field.
Remember, the men of Nineveh and the Queen of Sheba will rise in judgment (not some investigative judgment) over this generation, and condemn it. The men of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah and the Queen of Sheba, came from the uttermost part of the world to hear the wisdom of Solomon. I have this sneaking suspicion, we will be there too, as a witness against every person we ever witnessed to. God will never charge us with their doom. That, my FRiend, is on them.
Meanwhile, PREACH IT SISTER. 😀😊🤗👍