[MurphsLaw]

Jesus tells us that we must be born again, not join some corrupt religious organization that fancies itself as a church using Jesus as a window dressing.

Do you ever wonder what things would be like today... if your wish for the Church to never have existed would have been granted?
What the state of Christianity would be in today, if it even still existed?

What if, there was NO Church to combat all the heresies that sprung up over the centuries- with no authority to dismiss them?
Would we even recognize Christ the way we can today?
Would we even recognize Christianity as we know it today?

Would there be a coherent Bible Canon even available to us? - or even a single Bible at all? Or would there be 10-15 different Bibles, each containing whatever any religion wanted - and each of those with 20 different translations? With no hope of common ground?

Without the Church- would we have already been a Muslim world for 1300 years by now? Even more, Would a rebellious group have existed to cross the ocean to begin a new land? Would religion even be tolerated in a secular society? Freedom of religion even exist?

I'm just saying, it's been a better world with- rather than without the Church in bringing Christ through the ages.
If, after that, if it is still up for debate - I think for those who despise the Church, need not do anything more than look around at the world today collapsing in on itself - the further away it drifts from the anchoring Christianity has given it to this point.

The journey to where the world is at now, would have been undeniably different.

[metmom]

The Catholic religion is not exempt from heresy.

The Holy Spirit protects the church, not some homosexual infiltrated religious organization.

What would it look like?

Probably a lot like the Book of Acts, which is what the church was before Rome took over.

And the world is collapsing on itself and exactly what has Catholicism done in recent decades to slow or stop it?

To its credit, Catholicism has been a stalwart defender of the unborn, but otherwise they have done nothing to stem the rot. Instead, they have hosted cocaine fueled homosexual orgies at the Vatican and are doing next to nothing on the sexual abuse of children by their clergy.

They are hardly being salt and light.

And as far as that pope you all are saddled with at the moment…..

We didn’t need and don’t need a denominational stamp of approval on Scripture as if that validates it.

Jesus Himself declared virtually the entire OT as Scripture as a reading of the Gospels will show.

Peter, as an apostle, not as the supposed head of any denomination, recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture. The rest were widely recognized as such long before Catholicism was a thing, thus proving that there was no need for the nod of approval from Rome.

For that matter, some of the books included in the Catholic Bible are known to have errors in them, disqualifying them from being able to be classified as God’s Truth.

[metmom]

Do you ever wonder what things would be like today... if your wish for the Church to never have existed would have been granted? What the state of Christianity would be in today, if it even still existed?

Do you not at all see the irony of your line of questioning?

Catholicism has been divided since about 1,000 AD when the EO and Rome parted ways.

Homosexuality has been an ongoing problem within Catholicism for easily 1,000 years. Check out St. Peter Damian and his Book of Gomorrah.

The last several decades has seen the exposure of the depths of pedophilia and sexual exploitation of children world wide within the Catholic ranks.

Even recently, the Vatican has hosted cocaine fueled homosexual orgies.

You all have a flaming Marxist as your pope, who got installed into office by your College of Cardinals, which reveals them to be just as bad.

And then you have the chutzpah to question where Christianity would be without Catholicism as if Catholicism has been any kind of example of what a church should be?

The Crusades aside, without Catholicism, likely Christianity would be in a far better place than it is right now.