Posted on 11/08/2021 7:26:21 PM PST by marshmallow
The draft text of a prospective U.S. bishops’ conference document on the Eucharist is focused on a call to “enter more deeply by faith and love into this great Mystery of Mysteries.”
A draft text of the document, which was finalized in September and circulated to the bishops last month, addresses the subject of “Eucharistic worthiness,” — the states of grace and sin which the Church teaches affect a Catholic’s suitability to receive the sacrament. But as drafters predicted in June, the draft includes no specific mention of high-profile Catholic politicians in favor of abortion.
It does not include any recommendations for the denial of Communion, despite some media predictions it would do so.
The 26 pages of a draft text obtained by The Pillar focus mostly on the Eucharist as a gift, as the real presence of Christ, and as a sign and cause of of communion with Christ and his Church.
(Excerpt) Read more at pillarcatholic.com ...
Is this a caucus thread?
I’m sure it will become one, when people start asking questions.
Typical church stuff: focus on something that isn’t controversial (at least not to Catholics) in the face of controversy. Have they been watching Methodists or something? Gay marriage about to destroy your church? Focus on “winning hearts for Jesus” and maybe it will go away!
The difference between what’s happening in the Methodist church and the Catholic church, is that the Methodist Church was founded by men, and can be brought to ruin by men.
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.
But you can be assured, they will try.
USCCB tipped their hand on their view of the eucharist when they denied all access to it at the time most needed spiritual nourishment.
Frankly, it reads like an orthodox Lutheran understanding of the nature and use of the Eucharist. As an LCMS Lutheran that’s OK by me, but I am a bit surprised.
At least I can be reasonably assured that no one in high places who supports abortion will ever receive the Lord’s body and blood at our table, which unfortunately cannot be said of the Church of Francis.
With a few exceptions, Catholic American bishops are democrats and will always be proponents of the democrat party agenda, even when that agenda deviates from Catholic doctrine.
Thus, even if the communion is the body of Christ (doctrine), and should never be desecrated by the reception of one in mortal sin (e.g., Biden and Pelosi as the supporters and funders of millions of abortion murders), the fact that they are fellow democrats with these bishops means that they will never be condemned.
Expect Cardinals to preside over Biden’s funeral, just like the Kennedys.
Ah yes, another who believes the fairy tails. That little Catholic trick of conflation raises its deceptive head. Your religion is an org. Jesus did not found an org. Jesus established the Body of Christ Believers based upon the profession of faith like what Peter uttered when Jesus asked His Disciples ‘whom do you say I am’. And Jesus made it plain that Peter deserved no credit when JESUS said blessed are you Simon Peter because God revealed this to you, you didn’t scrum this up on your own.
Not an organization? Really?
Head of organization: Peter, the rock. Check.
Leaders: 12 apostles. Check.
Followers: the disciples. Check.
Meetings to discuss issues raised in the organization: first council of Jerusalem to discuss circumcision of gentiles. Check.
The Eucharist is the real body and blood of our Lord. Nothing is more important or precious.
BTW, which Jesus do you imagine your priests are serving you, which blood of Jesus? And show us where anything proves you can gain spiritual essence through your alimentary tract. The pagans believed if they ate the foods they brought to their idols well they would ingest the powers of their idols. Sound familiar?
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56).
That’s where.
BTW, why do you ignore what Jesus told the ones who did not turn away when he offered that sarcasm to the seekers after signs ... read John 6 all the way to the end and see what Jesus said about the flesh profits nothing, it is the spirit that quickeneth. His explanation to the disciples that stayed with him is how we know He gave a sarcastic response He knew the seekers after signs would hear on carnal terms as He was referring to the spiritual . You make the same blasphemous mistake the ones who turned away made, excpet you don't know what God said concerning the forbidding of cannibalism, so you take that one passage literally in a carnal sense, which you have been taught to do in order that your religion's priesthood is empowered with the Magic Thinking you are doing. And Jesus said to folks like you that even blaspheming against Him could be forgiven ... but blaspheming the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Your question was loaded since we serve the historic Jesus while Protestants serve their version of Jesus that fits their personal beliefs.
And what more could be said that when Jesus declared the Eucharist and those listening left in revulsion that he let them leave. He didn’t explain like he did in the parables. He let them go.
Ever since the beginning of Christianity that charge of cannibalism has been hurled, yet we still proclaim the Eucharist is the true body and blood of the Lord because
“As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me” (John 6:57).
If you do not eat of the flesh of the Son of Man you will have no life in you.
We have justly taught this doctrine. Even Martin Luther and some of the reformers taught this.
For more details see https://www.catholic.com/tract/christ-in-the-eucharist
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
I posted the next verse for clarity. Now here is what he then said to the disciploes who remianed with Him, clarifying what He meant as spiritual rather than carnal:
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The ones who walked away knew the Law of Moses and the teaching on cannibalism. They wanted carnal signs to mkae Jesus prove ON THEIR TERMS that He was Messiah. Ask your self, did Jesus say He lives because He eats the RFather? Your line of resaoning indicates you must beklieve that Jesus lived because He literally ate the Father. As a dyed in the wool Catholic it is not possible for you to see that glaring error! And so you continue to blaspheme
Tell me, Catholic, why must you keep eating if you receive eternal life with the first bite? Is there an amount you must consume eventually adding up to eternal life? Did you ignore what Jesus siad that those who eat will never hunger? When a man dies, is there an accounting of how much of Jesus they have eaten? How did the thief on the cross get a nibble if eating the flesh is so vital? And finally, again Jesus tells us the flesh profiteth nothng. It is the spirit that gives life and the words He spoke were spirit and life. You have to work hard to twist that plain teaching into the pagan practice central to catholiciism.
Avoiding answering the central question regarding which Jesus do you believe your priests serve to you, which Jesus are you eating, Catholic?
I’m eating the body, blood, soul and divinity of the historical, true Jesus because if you do not then you have no life within you. That is why St. Paul stated that so many were sick or dead because they ate unworthy. If it was just a symbol (like it is in protestant churches) then it would mean nothing and have no impact. This is what the church fathers and the Church have taught for 2000 years, long before some rebels decided they knew better than the successors of the Apostles.
So which protestant are you who apparently know the “real” teachings of Jesus? Are you:
Baptist
Methodist
Presbyterian
Mormon
Unitarian
Church of Christ
Jehovah’s witnesses
Pentacostal
Fundamentalist
Charasmstic....
Or one of the 30,000 plus and growing denominations who claim they’re the church?
Come home to the one true faith.
As to your diversionary question, I am a member -by the Grace of God honoring The Christ by keeping His Promises- a member in the Body of Christ Believers. As such I have the seed of His Holy Spirit ABIDING in my born again spirit, despite the sins of my behavior mechanism soul of mind emotions and will. I am expecting at any moment to be transformed by Him and taken to the Father's House in a new body and new soul for behavior.
When transformed in the twinkling of an eye I will disappear and be drawn up into the clouds to meet the Lord in The Air. This rising will not be discerned by the left behind eyes because it will be in a dimensional coordinate system we cannot sense in our present state of 4D reality.
The state of my soul and spirit is not begun or maintained by any denomination, it is the work of God, glorifying ONLY the giver of spiritual life. There is no priesthood on Earth that can accomplish that reality. So your effort to pin me to some deniomination is silly, revealing you haven't a clue what being born again means or the reality it describes on the spiritual level. You have religion, but God offers and maintains His Grace not your religion.
Are there born again members of The Body of Christ in the catholic religion? Definitely. Are there born again members in the 'deminuations' (denominations) and cults you listed? I know there are, for I was led to Christ by a man who was born again yet later in life fell into the cult of Mormonism. He is / they are members of the Body of Christ because they have done what God requires, they have believed in Whom God sent for their deliverance and God has honored His Promise to all who believe. They may fall into error during their remaining life but they were born from above by God's Grace so their status is eternally a member of the Body of Christ. They didn't eat a eucharistic offering (the thief on the cross never got a dinner - that's humor alluding to the Red Buttons monologue), or finger beads reciting a list of pleadings, or get baptised as infants, they came to believe because God's Spirit wooed them and they believed. God does the work for those who believe.
Bottom line, I am born again, and if it was then up to me to keep me born again could anyone be saved when it is spiritual powers which work to defeat the Gospel, and we have been told repeatedly in God's Word that eternal life does not come by works of 'righteousness'?
I always say, it’s not enough to have faith in Jesus. We must have faith in the RIGHT Jesus. 👍 I used to be in a false religion. At that time, I did not have the RIGHT Jesus, but now, I do. 😀😁
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