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To: daniel1212

Posts 61 and 63 list a lot of “stuff” and other articles, enough for me to comment on for a long time. I read through all of it. I didn’t see any discussion on Matthew 24:20 (maybe I just missed it...could you point it out?).

WHY?


66 posted on 10/12/2021 3:30:20 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: daniel1212

And I’m not talking about this...

“If this meant literally observing all the laws of Moses, versus fulfilling their intent as per Rm. 8:4 (while the specific day of Matthew 24:20 applies to Israel where and when the AOD appears), then as said, Paul etc. and the NT church would be invalidated, and the gymnastics you must engage in attempting to justify not literally keeping observing the laws yourself and trying to negate the texts that refute you are an argument against the cultic devotion of your sect.”

Where do the Sabbath haters you quoted talk about Matthew 24:20?


67 posted on 10/12/2021 4:35:12 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
"I didn’t see any discussion on Matthew 24:20 (maybe I just missed it...could you point it out?). WHY?"

I stated "the specific day of Matthew 24:20 applies to Israel where and when the AOD appears. Meaning that while the end of days is a world-wide event, the context is that of seeing visible manifestation:

And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Matthew 24:2,3)

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (Matthew 24:15-16) For wheresoever the carcase is [be], there will the eagles be gathered together. (Matthew 24:28)

Thus the mention of the Sabbath goes with the visible destruction of the visible temple, and the AOD sitting therein, and the fleeing from visible Judaea flee into the visible mountains, these all being localized manifestation in answer to the apostles in Jerusalem question "when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" (Matthew 24:3) And the reason for praying that this flight "be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day" is in consideration of how much harder this would be in that location, not in Arizona.

To use the mention of the Sabbath as teaching that the church is to observe this day is also teach that its worships in the temple in Judaea and is to flee to the mountains, rather than this describing localized manifestation of the end and what the specific reaction should be in that location to the apostles whom the Lord is addressing, not to those in Kansas, but who can see the world-wide aspects signifying the coming of the "End" but have no temple, Judea, or mountains.

In conclusion, stop trying to read into Scripture what is not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed, which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels: In which there is no reiteration of the 4th commandment, nor example of an established NT church observing it, while the Holy Spirit reveals in what way the "new covenant" is "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt." (Jeremiah 31:31-32)

That such literal observance of laws as regarded meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, (Colossians 2:16) "days, and months, and times, and years" (Galatians 4:10) "meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation," (Hebrews 9:10) foreshadowed Christ. "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:3-4) Christ.

70 posted on 10/12/2021 5:01:35 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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