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To: boatbums; Cronos

Cronos said: You are “saved” by grace in the same way that a drowning man is saved by someone throwing a rescue buoy at him. However the drowning man still has to move towards the buoy and not away from it. The drowning man was saved by the rescuer but still had to grab the rescue buoy, move towards the rescue buoy and not away.

You said: No, rather it is you who keeps putting an “incorrect example”. The drowning man grabbing hold of the rescue buoy is in the same way that a lost sinner comes to saving faith in Jesus Christ as his redeemer, rescuer and savior. He doesn’t then need to swab the decks, empty the bilge and stay onboard as a slave the rest of his life or he gets kicked off the boat into the briny deep again!


Maybe the guy was thrown overboard by the Captain/crew for crimes he committed (murder, theft, homosexuality, etc...) on board and maritime law of whatever country they were from, allowed for quick justice at sea. So, the guy is in the water, drowning. He’s asking for forgiveness and salvation, even though he deserves DEATH. The Captain and crew agree to forgive him and throw him a rope/life preserver. They pull him back on board. Guess what happens to him if he goes back to his sinning ways? He’s going in the water and he isn’t coming back. That guy is now under an even higher duty to live an obedient life (because he was saved from a certainty of death. He deserved to die) AND OBEY THE LAW. Now he’s a model crew member and lives the rest of his life serving his Captain.

Basically, that’s how it works.


294 posted on 08/17/2021 7:45:00 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
Maybe the guy was thrown overboard by the Captain/crew for crimes he committed (murder, theft, homosexuality, etc...) on board and maritime law of whatever country they were from, allowed for quick justice at sea. So, the guy is in the water, drowning. He’s asking for forgiveness and salvation, even though he deserves DEATH. The Captain and crew agree to forgive him and throw him a rope/life preserver. They pull him back on board. Guess what happens to him if he goes back to his sinning ways? He’s going in the water and he isn’t coming back. That guy is now under an even higher duty to live an obedient life (because he was saved from a certainty of death. He deserved to die) AND OBEY THE LAW. Now he’s a model crew member and lives the rest of his life serving his Captain. Basically, that’s how it works.

No, basically how it works is we are ALL miserable sinners unable to tread water long enough or strong enough to save ourselves. Every single one of us deserves to be cast into the deep darkness of hell for eternity. How well we behave ourselves after we are redeemed is a product of the indwelling Holy Spirit's conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement and our response to the chastisement of our Father in heaven. But when we are born again into the family of Almighty God, we are saved from the penalty for sin because of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. We can't become UN-born again.

"A prince, while he is a little child, is presumably as willful and as ignorant as other little children. Sometimes he may be very obedient and teachable and affectionate, and then he is happy and approved. At other times he may be unruly, self-willed, and disobedient, and then he is unhappy, and perhaps is chastised—but he is just as much a prince on the one day as on the other. It may be hoped that, as time goes on, he will learn to bring himself into willing and affectionate subjection to every right way, and then he will be more princely, but not more really a prince. He was born a prince" (C.I.Scofield, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth).

300 posted on 08/17/2021 6:02:04 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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