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How We lost The Bible
The Catholic Thing ^ | 8-4-2021 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/04/2021 2:19:35 PM PDT by MurphsLaw

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To: MHGinTN

From this article: (I have no idea who they are affiliated with)

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/will-the-holy-spirit-take-away-my-sin-or-addiction#:~:text=The%20Spirit%20will%20not%20take%20away%20your%20addiction,like%20you%20will%20never%20be%20able%20to%20overcome.

“This is where God’s Spirit can help you see that your behavior is wrong and give you the strength to stop it. The Spirit will not take away your addiction and sin unless you are willing to stop it and start doing the right thing. The strength of God’s Spirit can help you resist the urge to indulge in your sin or satisfy the craving of your addiction.

THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT KEEP YOU FROM SINNING! You have to be willing and repentant.


381 posted on 08/21/2021 6:02:12 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

Cultist, do you even believe we have a body, q soul, and a spirit? Yourave on as if you are unable to comprehend that reality which The Bible asserts! Ask yourself, cultist, does a dead person commit sin after they are buried? Then ask yourself, is there some aspect of a person which remians active AFTER they are buried? Now apply your answers to the two classes of humans: the born again members of The Body of Christ, qand the unregenerate, unsaved, dead in tresspasses and sins majority of humans.


382 posted on 08/21/2021 6:12:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

You are literally spiritually blind. Do you walk with the red-tipped cane of Lucifer?

21. Not every one. The words “not” and “but” highlight the strong contrast between the mere talker and the actual doer of God’s will. Mere profession is worthless. He who pretends to know God and yet disobeys His commandments “is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:4), irrespective of any appearance to the contrary.

Lord, Lord. To address Christ as “Lord” is to profess the belief that He is indeed the Messiah, and implies that the speaker has assumed the role of disciple.

He that doeth. That is, he who performs the will of God when he learns of it. Faith in God must accompany the doing, or the doing is only a form. It is true that “faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone” (James 2:17), but it is equally true that works unaccompanied by a sincere and living faith are also “dead” (Heb. 11:6). Those who do not know the will of God are not held accountable for it (Luke 12:47, 48), but those who have heard God’s voice speaking to their hearts and yet persist in ways of their own choosing “have no cloke for their sin” (John 15:22) and are in danger of presumption.

22. Many will say. Here for the first time Jesus indirectly alludes to the fact that He will appear on “that day” as judge of all men (cf. ch. 26:64). Those who thus address Christ as Lord on the great final day of judgment do so as professed Christians. They have pretended in this life to be His followers, but have been weighed and found wanting. That day. The great final day of judgment (cf. ch. 25:32, 33, 41).

“That day,” or “day of the Lord,” is often mentioned by the OT prophets (see Isa. 2:11, 17, Joel 2:1; 3:14; Amos 5:18, 20; Zeph. 1:15; cf. Mal. 3:17; 4:1; Luke 10:12; 2 Thess. 1:10; 2 Tim. 4:8).

Prophesied in thy name. The form of the question in Greek implies that those speaking expect a positive answer. They are saying, “Surely we have prophesied in thy name, have we not?” They would hardly claim before the great Judge of the universe to have done so if the claim was not, apparently, substantiated by the facts. This is the measure of their self-conceit and self-deception. It is as if they protest to the Judge that His decision is unfair, and that He cannot rightfully treat them as renegades. They have been preaching in His name, have they not? But they have forgotten that ostensible worship of God based on human tradition is vain.

Cast out devils. Presumably the most difficult of all miracles (see on Mark 1:23), and thus typical of all others that might be mentioned. When the Seventy returned from their first evangelistic expedition, it was the fact that “even the devils” were subject to them that seemed most significant to them (Luke 10:17). See Additional Note on Mark 1.

Many wonderful works. Perhaps including even actual miracles (cf. GC 553, 588), performed as evidence purporting to demonstrate the presence of God with them and His approval of their teachings (see Rev. 13:13, 14; 2 Thess. 2:9, 10). It is evident from the Scriptures that the performance of miracles is not of itself conclusive evidence that divine power has been in operation. The greatest miracle of time and eternity is a life transformed according to the divine likeness (see DA 406, 407). Those who profess to be prophets are to be tested by their lives (see on Matt. 7:16), and not by their professed miracles. See pp. 208, 209.

23. Profess. Gr. homologeō, here meaning “to declare frankly.”

I never knew you. Or, according to the form of the Greek verb, “I never recognized [or, “became acquainted with”] you.” This is evidence that their teachings and miracles had not been spoken and performed in harmony with the will of God, or by His power.

Depart from me. Compare ch. 25:41. Sin results in a final and complete separation from God.

Iniquity. Gr. anomia, “lawlessness,” or “lack of conformity with law.” The workers of iniquity are “lawless” because they have refused to conform their lives to the perfect pattern set forth in the law of the kingdom of heaven—and “sin is the transgression of the law [anomia] ” (1 John 3:4). On the Mount of Olives Christ said that in the last days “iniquity,” anomia, would abound (Matt. 24:12), and a few decades later Paul observed that the “mystery of iniquity [anomia] ” was already at work (2 Thess. 2:7). SDA bible commentary


383 posted on 08/21/2021 6:17:22 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

You must have missed the part where a saved by grace, spirit filled Christian, loses their salvation because of sin....

Hebrews 10
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


384 posted on 08/21/2021 6:22:13 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

Clearly you do not believe Jesus, when HE SAID depart from me, I NEVER Knew you. Your diatribe requires they have been saved at one time, BUT Jesus contradicts you, cultist.


385 posted on 08/21/2021 6:24:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: boatbums

“The funny thing is I challenged that when I asked about a Christian who DID obey the commandments and was not unrepentant about sin but lived in holiness through the leading of the indwelling Holy Spirit but who went to church on Sunday instead of Saturday. You know what answer I got? “Nope! Not keeping the Saturday sabbath was lawlessness.”! So, unless the commandments were kept exactly like the cult said, the believer wouldn’t be saved. Yep...live like the cult says or it’s hell for you! Where have we heard this “dogma” before?”


Oh, my. My, my, my, Boatbums! If a person is intent on keeping the Sabbath, they should learn when it truly is: Sundown to sundown, Friday - Saturday. Makes me wonder now if they are going to Hell.

I noticed the claim of keeping the dietary laws, too.

And I wonder why they just don’t go full-on Jewish!


386 posted on 08/21/2021 6:27:10 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Philsworld

Here is the dust from my sandals/sneakers. I give you over to the spirit that is driving your unbelief. Keep busy, cultist, as you skate that broad road.


387 posted on 08/21/2021 6:27:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN; metmom; boatbums

Reading through a lot of the posts, MHG, it’s plain to see that someone fails to rightly divide. There’s before the cross and after the cross; there’s the law and there’s grace; there’s the Church and there’s Israel, mystery and prophecy, etc., etc., etc. Even the Book of Hebrews gets distorted. No wonder there are so many other false beliefs by the person and the cult he’s in. There seems to be very little understanding of even the basics of Christianity.

If someone really wants to know God’s word and understand it, he need only ask God Almighty and start reading. Instead, some go for what others tell them the Scriptures mean and then spin, spin, spin when asked specific questions. Easy to see, yeah? Working for that salvation ...


388 posted on 08/21/2021 6:34:45 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: MHGinTN

AMEN!


389 posted on 08/21/2021 6:38:29 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: SouthernClaire

Reading through a lot of the posts, MHG, it’s plain to see that someone fails to rightly divide.


I say that about all of you, too.


390 posted on 08/21/2021 6:46:33 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

Your diatribe requires they have been saved at one time, BUT Jesus contradicts you, cultist.


No, He certainly does not. It is YOU He contradicts.

Lord, Lord. To address Christ as “Lord” is to profess the belief that He is indeed the Messiah, and implies that the speaker has assumed the role of disciple.


391 posted on 08/21/2021 6:51:31 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; MHGinTN
Then how do these people lose their salvation? Answer that! …21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

They obviously were NEVER believers to begin with and had no salvation to "lose", but cultists and works-based religionists who thought their calling Him Lord, prophesying in His name and performing miracles would save them (they were not, BTW, your "unrepentant sinners"). What is doing the will of the Father?:

    For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:38-40)

Once again you are WRONG!

392 posted on 08/21/2021 6:52:42 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums

They obviously were NEVER believers to begin with and had no salvation to “lose”,


Not when they’re addressing Him as Lord

Lord, Lord. To address Christ as “Lord” is to profess the belief that He is indeed the Messiah, and implies that the speaker has assumed the role of disciple.


393 posted on 08/21/2021 7:00:43 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; SouthernClaire
Of course. But does the Holy Spirit make us NOT SIN? No He does not. What He does do is empower us to resist sin (and other things). But some Christians cannot resist going back to their sinful ways. 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hmmm... there remains NO MORE SACRIFICE FIR SINS. The way you put it it's one and you're done. Sin even one time after you become a Christian and you lose your salvation FOREVER! Sure you want to use that verse as your prooftext? It's not saying what you want it to say.

394 posted on 08/21/2021 7:06:22 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Philsworld

I can imagine you do, Phil, because you have a completely different set of beliefs as regard the gospel than we. I know you would certainly oppose.


395 posted on 08/21/2021 7:06:41 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: boatbums

“It’s not saying what you want it to say.”

Amen to that, Sister! Amen all day long!


396 posted on 08/21/2021 7:07:51 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: boatbums

The way you put it it’s one and you’re done. Sin even one time after you become a Christian and you lose your salvation FOREVER!


Hmmmm, it doesn’t say that at all.


397 posted on 08/21/2021 7:15:00 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld
And you miss a whole lot of verses! According to what you have been going on and on and on about this past week is this theoretical "formally saved unrepentant sinner". That very passage you smugly pretend to understand as well as the other verses already posted tells you clearly that IF a person says they are a believer but their life shows no repentance or spiritual change, then they should rethink if they really ARE a believer. Examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith - I've said that numerous times but you won't acknowledge that. They went out from us but were not OF us, because if they had been, they wouldn't have left. Get it now???

Stop being so hung up on Ravi and look to your OWN faith. Are you counting on your obedience to the commandments to save you or the grace of God through faith and NOT your works?

398 posted on 08/21/2021 7:18:05 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: SouthernClaire

Should we even wonder why God hates pride???


399 posted on 08/21/2021 7:22:31 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Philsworld; MHGinTN
Your diatribe requires they have been saved at one time, BUT Jesus contradicts you, cultist.

No, He certainly does not. It is YOU He contradicts. Lord, Lord. To address Christ as “Lord” is to profess the belief that He is indeed the Messiah, and implies that the speaker has assumed the role of disciple.

Wrong AGAIN. MHGinTN's point was that Jesus said to them, "I never knew you.". NOT you once were believers but then you sinned so I don't know you anymore. Keep twisting the word, I'm sure Jesus is pleased (not).

400 posted on 08/21/2021 7:27:40 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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