Posted on 08/04/2021 2:19:35 PM PDT by MurphsLaw
No, it’s not. It’s your lack of study and comprehension.
Here’s your problem. You say that you repent and are forgiven when you sin, but you don’t extend that to others because you think their relationship with Christ doesn’t meet your standard. God has never once asked me if He should forgive another person. Has he you?
Looks like you rolled out the heavy Cart of Knowledge for your “proof” that Peter was in Rome.
Books and letters and diaries and group snapshots, I suppose. Apologists and early church fathers and their neighbors. It’s impressive.
If you’re easily impressed by absolutely nothing on the order of PROOF. Not heresay, not gossip, not tradition, not woulda coulda shoulda.
Let’s see what God’s word says on the subject of Peter:
One of the twelve apostles, called Simon, Cephas, Peter. A fisherman. A married man (Matt.8:14; 1 Cor. 9:5). He had no headship over the entire church, he ministered primarily to the Jews (Gal.2:7). He was not even the head of the Jewish section of the church, much less that of the Gentiles (Acts15; Gal.2:6-21; 2 Cor. 11:28.
Peter was only an elder among many others (1 Peter).
The only thing we know about his death is what is given in John 21:18-19. He wrote 2 books, 1 and 2 Peter.
These are the things we KNOW about Peter. Because these things are found in the Bible, God’s word. Not Father Sarducci’s Word Search Claims for the RCC.
Having straightened out the tangle of truth from opinions this much can be said regarding the question of “Was Peter ever in Rome?”
There is not the slightest proof that Peter ever visited Rome.
Paul, in no epistle written TO Rome and in none ever written FROM Rome ever mentions Peter as being a resident of Rome.
As a matter of fact, Peter, instead of going west,toward Rome, he goes east, and writes an epistle from Babylon.
I am not interested in what the RCC booster club has to say in any of their writings.
I am interested in what God has to say. In His word.
Take it or leave it. We are to search the scriptures daily to see if these things are so.
I don’t care if your RCC Cart of Knowledge sells Popecicles with it’s liebrary books, I’m not interested.
Here’s your problem. You say that you repent and are forgiven when you sin, but you don’t extend that to others because you think their relationship with Christ doesn’t meet your standard.
Not one person who has ever lived, other than Jesus Christ, hasn’t sinned or will continue to sin at some time or another. It is a daily battle. Luckily we have the Holy Spirit to help us. Do we automatically get a free pass? NO WE DO NOT.
What might God say to a Christian who CONTINUES TO WILLFULLY rape and commit adultery (and a bunch of other bad stuff)?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (LAWLESSNESS).
Yes or no what?
So, Cromos: was Paul ever ADDRESSED as Father?
“What might God say to a Christian who CONTINUES TO WILLFULLY rape and commit adultery (and a bunch of other bad stuff)?”
If the person is saved, the act of grieving the Holy Spirit will be present and strong until the relationship with God is repaired. Sanctification is an ongoing process that changes the life, heart and mind of every child of God. Yes, some quicker than others.
What about Christians who willfully sin by telling little lies all the time? Does that bother you nearly as much?
I don’t happen to believe that Christians are incapable of committing atrocious sins because I can think of a million different scenarios in which it could happen. What can I say? It’s been a hard life which is probably the exact opposite of yours. Do you think God is wrong for forgiving them?
I’ve had people confess sins to me while beating themselves with their fists and tears streaming down their faces, asking, “WHY? Why? Why do I always mess up like this? Am I even saved?”
Been there and done that myself a million times over and so I personally know their pain. I’ve also questioned my own salvation at times which was probably the most painful of all.
My answer to them: “If you weren’t saved it wouldn’t bother you at all. You did all that on a regular basis before you were saved and it didn’t mean a thing to you, did it? No. It was your normal life and you didn’t care at all about what God might’ve thought of your actions. You have to accept that you will mess up and that you will not be perfected here on earth. That comes later.”
The attraction to former sins falls off in time, and I trust that God knows what He’s doing.
We try to always walk in the Spirit, but we sometimes find ourselves obeying the flesh.
What part of “CALL” is so hard to obey?
True; but does EVERY thread need to have a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ?
What other way IS there?
Listening to an apparition isn't in OUR playbook.
What about Christians who willfully sin by telling little lies all the time? Does that bother you nearly as much?
Sin is sin. You said it yourself.
If you folks are upfront about it, saying this is doctrinal chatter that has no bearing on salvation... then it would be a great signal for those of us who aren’t interested in how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
A thread titled “How we Lost the Bible” with an anti-protestant bent is simply a troll. Should have been shunted to the religion topic immediately. Like all those threads that get shut down because they’re put in Breaking News.
All you say here is true, but please answer the question posed in #229
Well; it's there now.
Good. Where it should be. When I see that tag for catholics I usually just stay away. This thread was a troll.
The question is immaterial in the context of how much of a troll this thread is and was.
Perhaps you can open a religion thread on that topic to shed all the attached bullshiiite.
You send me a Catholic tract regarding Peter in Rome??
Why don’t you just send me a photo of a graveyard with no “Mary” tombstone to prove her bodily assumption?
Lol!
****Babylon****:
1Peter 5:13. “The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, as so doth Marcus my son.”
This refers to the city of Babylon on the River Euphrates, the ONLY LITERAL Babylon mentioned in Scripture.
It is a historical fact that the city of Babylon was still in existence at that time (60 A.D) and that there were many Jews there.
Josephus even writes of Babylon about the same time. (Josephus, book 18, chap.9; book 19, chapter 1) for your information, Cronos.
Dake’s Reference.
Another Bible tidbit to be studied:
Acts 8:1. “And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great PERSECUTION against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were ALL scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, EXCEPT THE APOSTLES.”
Get it? The Apostles stayed in Jerusalem, while the rest of the Jewish church at Jerusalem were scattered abroad.
Galatians 2 tells the same story. Paul goes back to Jerusalem 14 years after his first visit there, after his time in Arabia.
So, 17 years after Paul is saved and given his ministry by the risen Christ, he goes to Jerusalem. And the APOSTLES are STILL there.
We know that Paul went LEFT in his ministry, to Rome.
And if 1Peter was read like it said, Peter went RIGHT, to the CiTY of Babylon, where many Jews resided.
Something to ponder one night: WHY did Peter and the 11 remain in Jerusalem when the great PERSECUTION caused the church at Jerusalem to be scattered abroad? Why would the Twelve Apostles, who had been given a commission directly by Jesus Christ to take the gospel to the whole world, stay put in Jerusalem?
You have to accept that you will mess up and that you will not be perfected here on earth. That comes later.”
Everything you said in your post seems sincere. I would say just consider this:
Rev 21:
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
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