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How We lost The Bible
The Catholic Thing ^ | 8-4-2021 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/04/2021 2:19:35 PM PDT by MurphsLaw

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To: Philsworld

No, it’s not. It’s your lack of study and comprehension.


221 posted on 08/12/2021 10:04:56 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Philsworld

Here’s your problem. You say that you repent and are forgiven when you sin, but you don’t extend that to others because you think their relationship with Christ doesn’t meet your standard. God has never once asked me if He should forgive another person. Has he you?


222 posted on 08/12/2021 10:09:43 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Cronos

Looks like you rolled out the heavy Cart of Knowledge for your “proof” that Peter was in Rome.
Books and letters and diaries and group snapshots, I suppose. Apologists and early church fathers and their neighbors. It’s impressive.
If you’re easily impressed by absolutely nothing on the order of PROOF. Not heresay, not gossip, not tradition, not woulda coulda shoulda.

Let’s see what God’s word says on the subject of Peter:
One of the twelve apostles, called Simon, Cephas, Peter. A fisherman. A married man (Matt.8:14; 1 Cor. 9:5). He had no headship over the entire church, he ministered primarily to the Jews (Gal.2:7). He was not even the head of the Jewish section of the church, much less that of the Gentiles (Acts15; Gal.2:6-21; 2 Cor. 11:28.
Peter was only an elder among many others (1 Peter).
The only thing we know about his death is what is given in John 21:18-19. He wrote 2 books, 1 and 2 Peter.

These are the things we KNOW about Peter. Because these things are found in the Bible, God’s word. Not Father Sarducci’s Word Search Claims for the RCC.

Having straightened out the tangle of truth from opinions this much can be said regarding the question of “Was Peter ever in Rome?”

There is not the slightest proof that Peter ever visited Rome.
Paul, in no epistle written TO Rome and in none ever written FROM Rome ever mentions Peter as being a resident of Rome.
As a matter of fact, Peter, instead of going west,toward Rome, he goes east, and writes an epistle from Babylon.

I am not interested in what the RCC booster club has to say in any of their writings.
I am interested in what God has to say. In His word.

Take it or leave it. We are to search the scriptures daily to see if these things are so.
I don’t care if your RCC Cart of Knowledge sells Popecicles with it’s liebrary books, I’m not interested.


223 posted on 08/12/2021 10:11:15 AM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON. OR THE MASK)
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To: SouthernClaire

Here’s your problem. You say that you repent and are forgiven when you sin, but you don’t extend that to others because you think their relationship with Christ doesn’t meet your standard.


Of course I do (extend that to others). What I don’t do is say “I can’t sin because the Holy Spirit residing in me won’t allow it” “And, even if I could sin (apart from my flesh/soul), there are no consequences, for UNREPENTENT sin” (ridiculous)

Not one person who has ever lived, other than Jesus Christ, hasn’t sinned or will continue to sin at some time or another. It is a daily battle. Luckily we have the Holy Spirit to help us. Do we automatically get a free pass? NO WE DO NOT.

What might God say to a Christian who CONTINUES TO WILLFULLY rape and commit adultery (and a bunch of other bad stuff)?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (LAWLESSNESS).


224 posted on 08/12/2021 11:28:54 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: SouthernClaire

Yes or no what?


225 posted on 08/12/2021 11:30:36 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos
So Elsie, how do you address your male parent?

So, Cromos: was Paul ever ADDRESSED as Father?

226 posted on 08/12/2021 12:05:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Philsworld

“What might God say to a Christian who CONTINUES TO WILLFULLY rape and commit adultery (and a bunch of other bad stuff)?”

If the person is saved, the act of grieving the Holy Spirit will be present and strong until the relationship with God is repaired. Sanctification is an ongoing process that changes the life, heart and mind of every child of God. Yes, some quicker than others.

What about Christians who willfully sin by telling little lies all the time? Does that bother you nearly as much?

I don’t happen to believe that Christians are incapable of committing atrocious sins because I can think of a million different scenarios in which it could happen. What can I say? It’s been a hard life which is probably the exact opposite of yours. Do you think God is wrong for forgiving them?

I’ve had people confess sins to me while beating themselves with their fists and tears streaming down their faces, asking, “WHY? Why? Why do I always mess up like this? Am I even saved?”

Been there and done that myself a million times over and so I personally know their pain. I’ve also questioned my own salvation at times which was probably the most painful of all.

My answer to them: “If you weren’t saved it wouldn’t bother you at all. You did all that on a regular basis before you were saved and it didn’t mean a thing to you, did it? No. It was your normal life and you didn’t care at all about what God might’ve thought of your actions. You have to accept that you will mess up and that you will not be perfected here on earth. That comes later.”

The attraction to former sins falls off in time, and I trust that God knows what He’s doing.

We try to always walk in the Spirit, but we sometimes find ourselves obeying the flesh.


227 posted on 08/12/2021 12:06:14 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: MurphsLaw

What part of “CALL” is so hard to obey?


228 posted on 08/12/2021 12:06:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo
A nonbeliever could read every word of this thread and not have good enough data to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ

True; but does EVERY thread need to have a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ?

229 posted on 08/12/2021 12:09:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
That's how your ilk adds words to historical document as well as to the Bible, right?

What other way IS there?

Listening to an apparition isn't in OUR playbook.

230 posted on 08/12/2021 12:14:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SouthernClaire

What about Christians who willfully sin by telling little lies all the time? Does that bother you nearly as much?


Sin is sin. You said it yourself.


231 posted on 08/12/2021 12:14:12 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Elsie

If you folks are upfront about it, saying this is doctrinal chatter that has no bearing on salvation... then it would be a great signal for those of us who aren’t interested in how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

A thread titled “How we Lost the Bible” with an anti-protestant bent is simply a troll. Should have been shunted to the religion topic immediately. Like all those threads that get shut down because they’re put in Breaking News.


232 posted on 08/12/2021 12:15:08 PM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: Cronos; smvoice; murphyslaw

https://www.catholic.com/tract/was-peter-in-rome


233 posted on 08/12/2021 12:18:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

All you say here is true, but please answer the question posed in #229


234 posted on 08/12/2021 12:20:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo
Should have been shunted to the religion topic immediately.

Well; it's there now.

235 posted on 08/12/2021 12:21:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Good. Where it should be. When I see that tag for catholics I usually just stay away. This thread was a troll.


236 posted on 08/12/2021 12:24:17 PM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: Elsie

The question is immaterial in the context of how much of a troll this thread is and was.

Perhaps you can open a religion thread on that topic to shed all the attached bullshiiite.


237 posted on 08/12/2021 1:04:42 PM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: Elsie; Cronos

You send me a Catholic tract regarding Peter in Rome??
Why don’t you just send me a photo of a graveyard with no “Mary” tombstone to prove her bodily assumption?
Lol!

****Babylon****:

1Peter 5:13. “The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, as so doth Marcus my son.”

This refers to the city of Babylon on the River Euphrates, the ONLY LITERAL Babylon mentioned in Scripture.
It is a historical fact that the city of Babylon was still in existence at that time (60 A.D) and that there were many Jews there.
Josephus even writes of Babylon about the same time. (Josephus, book 18, chap.9; book 19, chapter 1) for your information, Cronos.
Dake’s Reference.

Another Bible tidbit to be studied:
Acts 8:1. “And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great PERSECUTION against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were ALL scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, EXCEPT THE APOSTLES.”
Get it? The Apostles stayed in Jerusalem, while the rest of the Jewish church at Jerusalem were scattered abroad.
Galatians 2 tells the same story. Paul goes back to Jerusalem 14 years after his first visit there, after his time in Arabia.
So, 17 years after Paul is saved and given his ministry by the risen Christ, he goes to Jerusalem. And the APOSTLES are STILL there.

We know that Paul went LEFT in his ministry, to Rome.
And if 1Peter was read like it said, Peter went RIGHT, to the CiTY of Babylon, where many Jews resided.

Something to ponder one night: WHY did Peter and the 11 remain in Jerusalem when the great PERSECUTION caused the church at Jerusalem to be scattered abroad? Why would the Twelve Apostles, who had been given a commission directly by Jesus Christ to take the gospel to the whole world, stay put in Jerusalem?


238 posted on 08/12/2021 1:08:13 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON. OR THE MASK)
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To: SouthernClaire

You have to accept that you will mess up and that you will not be perfected here on earth. That comes later.”


Everything you said in your post seems sincere. I would say just consider this:

Rev 21:
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


239 posted on 08/12/2021 5:08:12 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Elsie
What part of “CALL” is so hard to obey?

Lol...you didnt read the article did you? You VALIDATE the authors claim exactly to his point...with the liberalization of biblical translation...now on steroids...
Why is it so easy for you to mistranslate the Book you say you cherish? Does that thought ever cross your mind?

9 And call none YOUR father upon earth; for one is YOUR father, who is in heaven.

WHO do you know calls a Priest..MY Father on earth....and then turns around and says... "OUR FATHER, who art in Heaven??

St. Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, says, "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have MANY fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel."

Only someone twisted gets that whole deal screwed up....

Also for fun....look up the greek...

καλέσητε

Its used exactly ONE TIME IN THE NT...
Guess where...? Yep..... just one time-
a pretty special word to be sure...and it obviously means more than just a naming convention.... denying that denies the power of scripture by relavatism.

So lets HONOR ALL FATHERS (and Mothers) In the way the are meant to be....
Without twisting scripture....
240 posted on 08/12/2021 6:39:03 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned")
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