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To: MurphsLaw; imardmd1; SouthernClaire; Elsie; boatbums; metmom; ducttape45; aMorePerfectUnion
Faith alone in Christ alone saves as in being Justified by the Only One Who can do it. And Jesus told you believe in Him is the ONLY way to receive eternal life. Jesus even analogized it with the snake in the desert, so it would be so simple even a catholic should be able to see it.

There are two more azpects to salvation that are not Justification. The second phase of Salvation by His abiding Spirit is called sanctification. This Saving from the power of sin in your life. It is not justification because ONLY GOD can jsutify and He has chosen to do that entirely based upon believing in Whom He sent for Justifying a sinner.

The reason sanctification is not justification is a concept a works based religion like Catholicism cannot comprehend: by Justifying me because of faith alone in Christ alone assigns ALL the glory to The Lord Jesus and none to you. Since you are not Christ, your salvation from the power of sin is a process GOD expects you to be intimately involved with, because His abiding presence in your separated from your soul SPIRIT must learn to exhibit the character of God's family. There is no thing you can do or fail to do in the sanctification process which will chnge the status GOD by His Grace gave you -membership in His family via The belief in Christ alone for saving you from the penalty of sin which draped your spirit BEFORE GOD justified you in the way that brings glory ONLY to Christ.

There is a third salvation coming which will remove me from the 4D realm where the man of sin is going to reign for seven years. I am a member of the Family of God with His Hooly Spirit abiding in my born again spirit, so He is going to remove me from this realm before the beginning of the reign of the man of sin. This is salvation from the presence of the man of sin. God will do this by in the twinkling of an eye transforming me into a being like Jesus is now, because as John wrote in 1 John 3:2 I will be able to see Him as He is because in that moment I will be like Him, in a glorified body.

So let's review: Only God can justify me before His Righteous eyes, and God has chosen to do this in such a way that ONLY Jesus is glorified in my being justified. A second phase of my salvation is what is known as the sanctification phase, where God expects me to leran how to live inthe character of His family members. A third phase of my salvation is when He transforms me int he twinkling of an eye, to be in a glorified, higher dimensional coordiante system where Jesus is now and return tot he Father's House with Jesus (John 14).

I know it is shocking for you, but there is ONLY one function which activates God Justifying you as if you have never sinned, BELIEF, Faithe, trust in Christ alone by faith alone. After that moment of justification, God expects me to accept the guidance of His abiding presence and get saved from the power of sin that directed my livng before He birthed me from above.

Try it ... you'll like! Justified = saved from the penalty of sin; sanctification = saved from the power of sin ; glorified = saved from the presence of the man of sin in this 4D realm.

One last clue: when God justifies you, He will separate your sou and s[irit so that as He abides in your born again spirit His Spirit is not in contact with sin, sin which is sourced int he soul you inherited from Adam.(Heb 4:12 & Rev 1:16)

86 posted on 07/28/2021 4:26:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Good job, and in simple, unambiguous plain-literal language. May the Spirit convince the reader/hearer of these facts of sin as a master, righteousness as the inherent inviolable attribute of The Persons of the God-head, and judgment that will bring the oppositionally defiant denier of God’s existence to great chagrin in the place reserved for the devil and his subjects.


87 posted on 07/29/2021 2:38:11 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN
I was hoping that you might respond to my thoughts. I don’t mind being wrong- as long as a search for the truth is a fruitful one. Yes, I understand how you feel about your threefold process (tenses) and if it works for you great. I don’t think you follow what Luther desired entirely as well, and I don’t know all of the differing non-Catholic justification theories either.
You have misconceptions about the Church though, (that it is Pelagian or that Christ’s Resurrection is insufficient) that I couldn't let go unanswered -as we must always have a good defense of Christianity.

Your latter selection of John 6 was/is very curious to me... as I mentioned. We have come full circle I believe, and it has been interesting- I hope you will agree. The youngest disciple who laid on Christ at the Last Supper, went to Calvary with him… the Disciple whom Jesus Loved and entrusted his Mother to.….. St. John's relationship with Christ was different then his synoptic colleagues. Full circle yes, because if you remember this conversation originally began by me simply asking...
“Where is the Love?”

Nowhere in the original posted comment did I find the word Love - as in your last summary post. Scripturally, your evidence for faith ALONE is lacking- and John 6 is not proof- or where your defense should be. I think it "works" against the notion of faith alone. (Not disregarding though, the verses of James where we must accept contradiction of inerrant Scripture where in James tells us explicitly -"So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.- You see that by works a man is justified- NOT by Faith Alone") And St. Paul does not contradict St. James either… and they are compatible in this. Yes, my Catholic wall will not abide in ignoring St. James.

Your Faith Alone defense should remain in Galatians and Romans, but you still need to do so considering the pastoral context of what St. Paul was trying to convey specifically to those communities, at that time of the early Church.

John, on the other hand, is the epitome of the “Come to Jesus Moment” as he showed in Christ’s Last Days. For whatever reasons, John was special to Christ- and that is reflected in his Gospel. His logos is that we must "come" to Jesus- we must do this - for Salvation. John intimately knew we MUST imitate faithful obedience in God- in imitation of Christ’s perfect obedience to the Father within this New Covenant - : the New Adam obeys, where the First Adam did not obey God.

11Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
12Otherwise believe for the very works' sake. Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do; and greater than these shall he do.

37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 But you are not willing to COME TO ME that you may have life.

36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.


The opposite of however we translate "belief" for John, was to Disobey. It was not "Disbelief" as commonly inferred in translation but rather "disobey" (Gk. Apeithon)Obedience was the key component of a faith life for the Apostles. Is it not apparent that these Chosen men of Christ are battling a faith alone mentality back in their day as well?

John clearly says- Obeying God, coming to him in Love, Faith and Hope- with the greatest being Love – is THE path of Salvation- and that which must go beyond a simple gaze upon the Cross- or an intellectual belief or creed. Coming to Christ is where our Salvation is. We must make that move, Faith alone can’t accomplish that, nor does it require that.
Faith alone says I can “believe” in Christ, but I do not have to Love him.
Faith Alone says I can “believe” in Christ- but do not have to obey him.
Faith Alone says I need not be transformed by Christ, as long as I “believe”.

Now I know you don’t think this way- but nonetheless “Victor” Faith Alone is capable of this – and as I thinks as what began with the Israelites- all the way through to to the Pharisees.. part of the Jews path to breaking their covenant. Faith Alone evolves in what James says it will be - dead faith. One can tweak the Justification formula or process as they like- but it does not fit with Scripture.

We should all be haunted by what Christ WANTS from US……

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “DO this and you will live.”

Just as Jesus cursed the fig tree that bore NO fruit.…. Let us also take note.

Peace.
91 posted on 07/29/2021 1:55:57 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope.")
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