Posted on 07/09/2021 5:59:15 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
My point and objective in my original post is being missed.
I am looking for fundamentalist Presbyterian publications on issues. I will use those materials to attempt a ministry with that liberal PCUSA pastor.
I would suggest you would be totally wasting your time. I understand you can now graduate from Princeton Seminary (the most prominent PCUSA seminary) and get your M.Div. without taking a single class on the Bible.
I may be wasting my time, but I would still like to see publications on these issues written by fundamentalist Presbyterian writers.
sounds like a PCUSA church.
That denomination died long ago because they took the low view of christ. That is, that christ is just a man.
If christ is just a man then the central mystery of Christianity is not a reconciliation of God to man and man to God—a propitiation. ... but rather just a human sacrifice. The trouble with human sacrifices is that are no better than sacrifices of chickens or pigs. Even after the sacrifice of such things — you remain dead in your sin.
Only God himself is a sufficient sacrifice. “So that who so ever believes in Jesus will not perish but have eternal life”
Poor shmoes at the PCUSA don’t even know thay’re the un dead—except to the extent that they want others to die too.
When you use the word fundamentalist— it shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. You don’t understand the denominations or their underlying theology. The bigger news these days is that soros related liberal foundations are pouring money into conservative christian institutions with the proviso that they adapt social justice woke causes. That’s why we heard the wierd news that the southern baptist church was having issues with woke social justice pastors. communist money is flowing into these institutions.
But you too are assuming I want more than I want. Regardless of the apostasy of the denominations, there are certainly some fundamentalist Presbyterian brethren who are WRITING BOOKS (that is what I am after . . . BOOKS, not a church to attend or a denomination to join).
I began this with a quarry. Are there any Freepers who happen to be members of Presbyterian movements: (1) Free Presbyterian (North America or Ulster), or Bible Presbyterian.
If there are not, then fine. I will search from another angle. If there are, however, I'm asking for one or more of them to contact me about publishers and authors.
The Southern Baptists as a denomination (Baptists, by distinctive, are not denominational, and the SBC itself proves they had abandoned the distinctives of Baptists), by the way, left fundamentalism long before Soros was born.
You mean the Free Western Evangelical Presbyterians or the Free Western Orthodox Presbyterians or the Free Presbyterian Church of Southern USA or the Presbyterian Free Western non-aligned or tye Presbyterian western Free or the Bible free Presbyterian or the Orthodox Bible Presbyterisns first chapter or the Bible Orthodox Presbyterians or the Oneness Bible Free Presbyterian or the Southern Presbyterian Free Council othe south-western Bible Presbyterian or the Bible Bible Presbyterian?
Gotta be specific, there’s a new group split everyday
“The Evangelical Free Church”?? Meaning they didn’t have any Evangelicals? Ie were free of Evangelicals?
I thought the PCUSA were woke and tye PCA, OPC, UPSCA, RPSCA, WPAC, PAC etc were not woke
John Leland “fundamentalists have seen the apostasy of the Southern Baptists for no fewer now than a hundred years.”
You, John, are calling the Southern Baptists as woke apostates?!?!
What else would you call JD Greear, Beth Moore, Russel Moore or Ed Litton? How else would you characterize Resolution #9? (By Southern Baptists I’m assuming you’re referring to the SBC, not all Baptists who are in the south).
If Presbyterian splits tend to make independent congregations, that is probably a good thing.
With the exception of a few old churches, mostly in the Appalachians, that remain Bible-believing, support other than Cooperative Program missionaries and projects, don't support the schools, but have just forgotten to take their church name off of the SBC membership roster . . . Yes, the SBC is a woke apostate denomination.
https://www.freepresbyterian.org/
But this discussion is WAY OFF of my quarry.
I am seeking AUTHORS and their BOOKS written by PRESBYTERIANS: Presbyterians who would still be fundamentalist in doctrine, who are writing books on the issues of "woke," CRT, "social justice," and so forth.
I am making two assumptions:
I. That there are still real fundamentalists among the
1. Bible Presbyterian Church (1938) www.bpc.org
2. Free Presbyterian Church of Uster (1951, Paisley) www.freepresbyterian.org
3. Free Presbeterian Church of North America www.fpcna.org (anti-WCC; anti-ecumenical; etc)
II. That among these fundamentalists there would be authors writing on the subjects as I have described above
III. That there are probably some of them who may be found on Free Republic.
Three assumptions actually.
This was predestined.
Most writers of the type you are describing are Reformed Baptists these days. I am a member of a reformed Baptist Church. Further, I have no idea what anyone means when they use the term “fundamentalist” these days. It is generally used as a term of derision.
Oh, the Free Presbyterians of Ulster, Northern Ireland, North American reformed chapter
Wow, I get lost in all these alphabet denominations. :-)
Yes, the PCUSA is horrible. The OPC is standing strong, at least for now. There have been elements within the PCA that want to liberalize, and that isn’t good.
The OPC was founded in response to the doctrinal liberalism of the mainline Presbyterian church back in 1936. The PCA was started in 1973 mainly due to the increasingly leftist political movements in the mainline Presbyterian church. I also think the more conservative southern churches were not keen on merging with the more liberal northern churches. Consequently, there are many differing opinions on doctrinal issues in the PCA. That is what is leading to the difficulty in keeping everyone on the same page. You will find many “happy-clappy” PCA churches that want to be hip and ordain women, and some hard-core theonomic churches that are quite the other direction.
As to this latest PCA vote on homosexual pastors, some of those who voted against the resolution may have done so because they want presbyteries to maintain their autonomy from the national HQ and not because they want to allow homosexual pastors. At least, I hope that was their reason.
I don’t know enough about the others you mentioned to have an opinion.
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