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Conservatism’s Inevitable Conversion to Catholicism
Crisis Magazine ^ | 6-16-2021 | Jessica Kramer

Posted on 06/17/2021 3:39:12 PM PDT by MurphsLaw

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To: MurphsLaw

The main thesis is correct— there is no pathway for Christianity to survive in America but through the traditions, gifts and strengths of the RCC. Protestantism is at a dead end, nowhere to go as the Mainline dies and the fractious “right” splinters into self absorption and sanctimony.

While the leadership in Rome is currently corrupt there is a vast body of faithful who see that for what it is and who worship God, not the Pope. Abuser priests are continuing to be rooted out, even as their protestant counterparts continue to make a mockery of their own sanctimony.

Over the last century there has been a constant flow of converts, serious
thoughtful and mature adults who by diverse ways arrive at the common destination on the banks of the Tiber. Meanwhile, as the Western church struggles, the Catholic Church of the Southern hemisphere is growing by leaps and bounds, with well educated, theologically conservative leaders who are not ashamed to witness to the living God.


41 posted on 06/17/2021 5:27:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative. .)
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To: DesertRhino

Don’t leave the Egyptian Coptic Church out.


42 posted on 06/17/2021 5:39:24 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: Marchmain
Those don’t disappear when a man becomes pope.

No they don't. But he is no longer the pope.

He’s a retired pope

There's no such thing as a retired pope.

He did not vote in the last conclave. or any future conclaves. Once he abandoned, he's still a priest, but not anything else.

43 posted on 06/17/2021 5:41:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Responsibility2nd

Do you have any idea what has happened with the infiltration of the Catholic Church? The Protestants? Education?

That’s what I’m getting at.


44 posted on 06/17/2021 5:42:24 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (RIP my "teddy bear". )
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To: nickcarraway

What does the conclave have to do with it? No one votes in the conclave who’s over 80.


45 posted on 06/17/2021 5:45:21 PM PDT by Marchmain (If you're vaccinated, why do I need to wear a mask?)
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To: MurphsLaw

Might read this, but no matter what America will always be a Protestant country.


46 posted on 06/17/2021 5:47:58 PM PDT by jocon307 (Dem party delenda est!)
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To: Marchmain
It's a shame the former Pope never read King Lear, if ever there was a man who needed to read it, it was him.

All thy other titles thou hast given away; that thou wast born with. [Act I, Scene IV 153-154] Why, after I have cut the egg i' th' middle and eat up the meat, the two crowns of the egg. When thou clovest thy crown i'... [Act I, Scene IV 162-163] Too bad the former Pope didn't have a fool. The fool would have made great sport of him.

47 posted on 06/17/2021 5:52:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Marchmain
We should have known then-Cardinal Ratzinger wasn't cut out to be pope, when he admitted he couldn't read St. Thomas Aquinas.

Earlier popes never would have let him get that far not properly educated.

48 posted on 06/17/2021 5:53:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DesertRhino

You haven’t read FR in the last ten years.


49 posted on 06/17/2021 5:54:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Jim Noble

“ If the Catholic Church did not exist, no one would have ever heard the Name of Jesus Christ by the year 500, if not sooner.

Shocked to hear God is so impotent!!


50 posted on 06/17/2021 5:57:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read.” )
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To: Marchmain
He’s a retired pope.

There has never before been "a retired pope". All former popes who renounced their see, reverted to their former status (whether it be priest, bishop, or cardinal) and dropped the name they had chosen when elected.

In other words Joseph Ratzinger is either now Cardinal Ratzinger or he is Pope Benedict XVI and Bergoglio is a fraud.

There's no such thing as a dual papacy as the goofball Ganswein claims.

51 posted on 06/17/2021 6:12:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: nickcarraway

How do you know he never read Lear? He’s one of the greatest intellectuals on the planet.


52 posted on 06/17/2021 6:13:32 PM PDT by Marchmain (If you're vaccinated, why do I need to wear a mask?)
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To: ebb tide

There has never before been “a retired pope”...

Well there is now.


53 posted on 06/17/2021 6:23:40 PM PDT by Marchmain (If you're vaccinated, why do I need to wear a mask?)
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To: MurphsLaw

Dream on……


54 posted on 06/17/2021 6:26:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I know there are quite a few Catholics who are conservative. I see them every day here at Free Republic.

And FR is the ONLY place I’ve met them.

In real life, not so much.

55 posted on 06/17/2021 6:30:41 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Right.

What would God do without the Catholic religion watching His back?


56 posted on 06/17/2021 6:33:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I guess theirs is.

My God, the one of the Bible, isn’t so incapable of taking care of Himself.


57 posted on 06/17/2021 6:34:53 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: MurphsLaw

Not gonna happen.


58 posted on 06/17/2021 7:29:27 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

59 posted on 06/17/2021 8:01:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (uir)
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To: MurphsLaw; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; MamaB; ...
So MurphsLaw (whatever papal polemic can be wrong will be wrong) is back at it again, abusing FR by using it as an organ to ceaselessly provocatively promote RC propaganda, regardless of the legacy of refutations since he began after recently joining FR. Meaning he provides arguments against being a RC. So lets deal with this one:

"The joke is that serious evangelicals become Catholic. "

That is a joke, for what stats show is that far more Catholics have left their dead church for Protestant or Prot. evangelical faith than vice versa, though most Catholics just become NONES. In a study reported in 2018, of the 2,112 Catholics in the sample, of the 50 that left: 39 became Protestants, 6 became Orthodox Christians, and 3 became Buddhists, while out of a sample of more than 4,000 Protestants, just 32 became Catholics, 7 became Buddhists, and less than 5 became Mormons, Jews, Muslims, or Hindus. ...Protestant Christianity looks stable overall, with more than 9 in 10 Protestants staying that way over the years. But a tremendous among of migration [btwn Prot churches] lingers below the surface(https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/february/how-protestants-catholics-leave-church-change-religion-cces.html

And from 2015, Pew survey: Percentage of US Catholics drops and Catholicism is losing members faster than any denomination

A report released Tuesday by the Pew Forum finds that the total number of Catholics in the United States dropped by 3 million since 2007, now comprising about 20 percent – or one-fifth – of the total population.

And perhaps more troubling for the church, for every one Catholic convert, more than six Catholics leave the church. Taken a step further, Catholicism loses more members than it gains at a higher rate than any other denomination, with nearly 13 percent of all Americans describing themselves as “former Catholics.” (https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/05/pew-survey-percentage-of-us-catholics-drops-and-catholicism-is-losing-members-faster-than-any-denomination/)

evangelicals now constitute a clear majority (55%) of all U.S. Protestants.

https://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

WHO are the Former Catholics and the “Nones”?


60 posted on 06/17/2021 8:02:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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