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To: Wpin
"Upon this rock I shall build my Church...that was the beginning of the Catholic Church, period. Jesus did not just speak figuratively, but literally as the Basilica was built upon Peter’s grave. You cannot win against God friend."

Indeed we cannot win against God and which is why you should not be part of a system in which distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

Whether or not the Basilica was built upon Peter’s grave is a matter of dispute, not fact, yet regardless, the NT church never taught that Peter was the "rock" of Mt. 16:18 upon which the church is built, interpreting Mt. 16:18, rather than upon the rock of the faith confessed by Peter, thus Christ Himself.

For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8) Rome's current catechism attempts to have Peter himself as the rock as well, but also affirms: “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424) which understanding some of the so-called “church fathers” concur with.)

268 posted on 04/28/2021 6:35:46 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

The Catholic Church with its beginnings in Jesus Christ is the ONLY true authority for Jesus’ church. We have the complete Bible divinely inspired many centuries before a lunatic decided he would correct God...we have the traditions from first hand accounts. The tens of thousands of Protestant variations on the “truth” of God’s Word is at best a mockery of God.

Peter’s grave being under the Basillica is not in dispute by any reputable sources. Its just Protestant propaganda that politicized Gods words and acts.

Where your cracker hacks interpretations fall short is not only within the Bible itself (especially the true bible) but in historical and traditional facts themselves. Like uour disrespect for Mary, mother of God’s importance during Jesus time on earth and now even portrayed in Revelations.

You can cherry pick Bible verses to try to fit God into your belief system, but it will not get you closer to God. Indeed it us a cunning trap by satan to separate you from your Saviour. Learn actual Catholic doctrine from good Catholic sources. Haven’t uou ever had curiosity as to why some of the greatest minds in world history were Catholic and what they, in their own words had to say about theology of Jesus Church?

After I had a near death experience in which I was in a state of Purgatory not only did my thirst for more knowledge of God become insatiable but my curiosity for His Church awakened my spirit from the shallow faith of Protestant teachings I had had for over fifty years. Funny, as you I did not believe in or understand Purgatory until God brought me there...I didn’t truly understand that outside of the physical world He created time does not exist. Nor, did I understand that true wisdom MUST be love based.

You can banter all you like and quote individual Bible verses out of context all you like and try to convince yourself that you can be saved by faith alone...but it will not get you truth. I do not question your live for Jesus, that is apparent and when you hopefully get cleansed fully in the state or condition of Purgatory you will finally learn the truth. God bless...


282 posted on 04/29/2021 4:59:57 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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