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To: Bob434

>>> The Bible gives us a sign to watch for to determine who is an apostate or not.

Really?... where? what scripture says this?

>>> If that person fulfills the terms for being an apostate, there is no longer any chance that person can be saved.

Jesus said to be wary of false prophets... not apostates. There’s a difference.

We are also advised that some simply cannot be saved, and that if the Holy Spirit Himself cannot turn them, what makes us think we can?

The scripture I think you are referring to states “... let them be accursed” (for teaching another gospel)

That does not mean “point them out and curse them”.

It means “Let them be... under God’s curse.”

In other words... “Leave them alone” Do you see the difference?

It is NOT for us to judge others. the bible does NOT give us signs to determine who is savable and who is not.

It is NOT for us to know, nor can we.

What we CAN know is that God does not break covenant.

We should know ourselves whether we are saved or not.

We cannot judge another person’s heart.


89 posted on 04/12/2021 1:46:09 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

Deuteronomy 13:13
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some worthless men have gone out from among you and have seduced the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom you have not known),
Hebrews 3:12
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Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
Luke 8:13
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Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
2 Timothy 4:10
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for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia.
1 John 2:19
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They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
2 Peter 2:17
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These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
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Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates


90 posted on 04/12/2021 1:49:15 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Safrguns

Pardon » Withheld from » Apostates
Hebrews 10:26-27

For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates#thematic_title_2198

Apostates » Never belonged to Christ
1 John 2:19
Verse Concepts

They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates#thematic_title_2198

Matthew 24:12
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Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
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Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
1 Timothy 4:1-3

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates#thematic_title_2198

Deuteronomy 13:13
Verse Concepts

some worthless men have gone out from among you and have seduced the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom you have not known),

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates#thematic_title_2198

Apostates » Cautions against becoming
2 Peter 3:17
Verse Concepts

You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates#thematic_title_2198

Apostates » It is impossible to restore
Hebrews 6:4-6

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Apostates#thematic_title_2198


91 posted on 04/12/2021 1:54:33 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Safrguns

[[>>> If that person fulfills the terms for being an apostate, there is no longer any chance that person can be saved.

Jesus said to be wary of false prophets... not apostates. There’s a difference.]]

Sorry- not true- see verses above- The bible talks specifically about what to watch for-

[[>>> The Bible gives us a sign to watch for to determine who is an apostate or not.

Really?... where? what scripture says this?]]

See verses above

[[The scripture I think you are referring to states “... let them be accursed” (for teaching another gospel)

That does not mean “point them out and curse them”.]]

Huh? Where did i ever say we are to curse them?

[[It is NOT for us to judge others.]]

Actualy we are to judge- God tells us to judge all the time- concerning false prophets is a prime example- several verses talk about it-


92 posted on 04/12/2021 1:58:49 PM PDT by Bob434
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