Posted on 03/18/2021 3:40:30 PM PDT by JAG 5000
―She was the young woman who originated the Pre-Tribulation rapture theory! According to Robert Norton‘s book, The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets in the Catholic Apostolic Church (London 1861), she claimed on p. 15 to have received a ‗revelation‘ in the spring of 1830, while living in Port Glasgow, Scotland, that Christians would be raptured before the Tribulation—(something never taught before 1830....see below**). Before 1830, the Church taught only one coming, after the Tribulation! Margaret‘s revolutionary ‗revelation‘ split the second coming of Christ into two phases—first, a PreTrib. Rapture; and then after the Trib, the return of Christ to earth. Her own statement, covering three pages in Norton‘s book, clearly contains most of the major tenants found today in Pre-Trib. Dispensationalism—meeting the Lord in the air, secrecy, suddenness, invisibility, immanency, a Pre-Trib. Separation of believers and unbelievers, distinction between the raptured bride and Trib elect, and so on.‖ (quoted in Huebner, 135)
**Of course it started with the Jesuit priest, Ribera, and his theory of FUTURISM (published in 1590). That all started after the Catholic church was getting pounded by the reformers for being the Antichrist power and they had to do something to deflect those (correct) accusations. FUTURISM is essentially the same as the PRE TRIB RAPTURE THEORY, until Margaret Macdonald and Edward Irving came into the picture and declared there would be a two part return of Christ (the church is taken out before the tribulation). Then, almost every protestant pastor (self proclaimed bible scholars and prophets, etc...) started to spread the false teaching, including those like Andy Woods and Ken Johnson, who appear regularly on shows like PROPHECY WATCHERS, mostly to sell their books and wares. And many of their followers also spread the same false teachings on various media outlets. Shameful.
You still have not produced your lusted for gotcha, Adventist cultist.
And you are still unable to provide answers to my questions.
“Oh nooooooooo, I’m not gonna answer none of your gotcha questions....you cultist”
ἁμαρτάνω
hamartanō
ham-ar-tan'-o
Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.
Well, that didn't work for ya...Try something else???
They hate the sin they used to love, and love the virtue they used to despise (see on Rom. 6:2, 6; 7:14, 15). Such people do not continue slaves to their old sins, they do not habitually commit their old mistakes.
Really??? So there are no Christians who are smokers??? No Christians who constantly gossip???
Divine power has given them the victory over those weaknesses, and is ready to aid them in overcoming other faults of which they may not previously have been aware.
I know a lot of overweight people who are constantly struggling with their weight who will tell you you're nuts...
Cannot sin. Or, “is not able to go on sinning,” or “is not able to go on habitually sinning.”
That's your version, not God's version...That's what a lot of people do...They don't care for what God says so they change it to suit them...
Not sure some understand that....
Pay attention to the context in those verses.
We are either secure in the salvation He's given us or not. Otherwise His death and Burial and Resurrection mean nothing at all. .....Because if our keeping any part of the law provides us any Insurance then why did Jesus have to die?
No gotcha yet, cultist. I know you'll keep trying because I recognize the spirit that is within you, manipulating your mind. It is common to all cults, being the spirit of the lie. I met it decaces ago with the Mormonism efforts..
Your childish effort to make me mad is not working, cultist.
Not my intention at all. I was stating a fact.
Accusing me of having the McDonald girl as ‘my prophetess’ is a silly lie.
Whether you admit it or not, you are all in on Margaret Macdonald and her version of Futurism, which is the pre trib rapture. She is your prophetess. So, let’s test MM:
“ To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
She fails that test. That means she is a false prophetess which means that Andy and Ken are too, which means everything you spread that comes from them is too (false).
No gotcha yet, cultist. I know you’ll keep trying because I recognize the spirit that is within you, manipulating your mind. It is common to all cults, being the spirit of the lie. I met it decaces ago with the Mormonism efforts..
You are obviously not very good at recognizing anything, since Andy, Ken, and Prophecy watchers have you completely fooled.
That’s your version, not God’s version...That’s what a lot of people do...They don’t care for what God says so they change it to suit them...
smoking, overeating, gossiping...I’m sure God can help if those people ask and truly want to change their lives.
“I know a lot of overweight people who are constantly struggling with their weight who will tell you you’re nuts...”
How about adultery? fornication? homosexuality? gambling or alcohol addiction? Can God help Christians who struggle with these issues? Is it NUTS to think so?
LOL, Nope, still have no gotcha, Aventist. But I know you will keep trying because I am familiar witht eh spirit that is in you ... and it is not the spirit of truth. Let’s see what lie your father directs from your hands next!
King James Bible: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
New American Standard Bible: No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Berean Study Bible: Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
refuses to practice ποιεῖ (poiei) Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 4160: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause. Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do.
1John 3:6
6. Whosoever abideth. Another of John’s comprehensive statements (cf. chs. 2:23; 3:4, 9, 15; 1 John 4:15; 5:1). The word “abideth” may suggest an active willingness to remain in union with Christ. The form of the verb in Greek implies continuity— whosoever continues to abide. Sinneth not. Or, “does not continue to sin,” or “does not habitually sin,” as the form of the Greek verb implies. The apostle is here speaking of habitual sin, not of occasional mistakes which every Christian is prone to make (see on ch. 2:1). John knows that Christians are inveigled into sin (ch. 1:8, 10), but he also knows the remedy for such failures (chs. 1:9; 2:1). Here he is speaking of the ideal state that is attainable by one who habitually abides in the protecting presence of the sinless Saviour. Whosoever sinneth. That is, whosoever habitually sins (see above on “whosoever abideth”). John refers to the one who habitually sins, the one who continues to practice sin.
Hath not seen. The one who continues to sin demonstrates that he has not retained his original vision of Christ.
"Well, that didn't work for ya...Try something else???"
Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin - This passage must either mean that they who are born of God, that is, who are true Christians, do not sin habitually and characteristically, or that everyone who is a true Christian is absolutely perfect, and never commits any sin. If it can be used as referring to the doctrine of absolute perfection at all, it proves, not that Christians may be perfect, or that a “portion” of them are, but that all are. But who can maintain this? Who can believe that John meant to affirm this? Nothing can be clearer than that the passage has not this meaning, and that John did not teach a doctrine so contrary to the current strain of the Scriptures, and to fact; and if he did not teach this, then in this whole passage he refers to those who are habitually and characteristically righteous.
Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
And he cannot sin - Not merely he will not, but he cannot; that is, in the sense referred to. This cannot mean that one who is renewed has not physical ability to do wrong, for every moral agent has; nor can it mean that no one who is a true Christian never does, in fact, do wrong in thought, word, or deed, for no one could seriously maintain that: but it must mean that there is somehow a certainty as absolute “as if” it were physically impossible, that those who are born of God will not be characteristically and habitually sinners; that they will not sin in such a sense as to lose all true religion and be numbered with transgressors; that they will not fall away and perish.
Wow, did ya find a gotcha? LOL It is sad to witness a person so lost to a cult mind, but you are just one of millions sharing a destiny for ll works based religions.
The problem is that a bunch of “you guys” have been fooled into thinking that SIN and LAW doesn’t apply to you. (sin is transgression of the law)
DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN; does not make it his trade and business; it is not the constant course of his life; he does not live and walk in sin, or give up himself to it; he is not without the being of it in him, or free from acts of sin in his life and conversation, but he does not so commit it as to be the servant of it, a slave unto it, or to continue in it; and that for this reason:
IF you believe The Word of God you could red for yourself that those in Christ are wlking by faith and are not under the law. Now since even you relize that the law defines sin then you should be able to connect the spiritual dots which show those in Christ who are then not under the law cannot sin. But these truths are spiritually discerned, and your spirit is occupied terrirtory of the spirit of deadness. By choice, you have chosen to be a cultist with a cult mind and a closed heart to the Truths the Word of God declares.
Wow, did ya find a gotcha? LOL It is sad to witness a person so lost to a cult mind, but you are just one of millions sharing a destiny for ll works based religions.
What’s truly sad is that you don’t recognize the truth when it’s presented to you. And, you believe fables and lies. You say “gotcha” and I say truth.
Why don’t you tell all of us about the Catholic lie of FUTURISM and how it became the lie of the Pre Trib Rapture?
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