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To: daniel1212

So now you bring up a multitude of other issues to diffuse the debate into too many contentions to have a clear resolution. We’re talking about the presence of Body of Christ in the form of bread and wine.

“For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without recognizing the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.”

Please note, that the purpose of blood in Jewish sacrifice was for the remission of sins, which is what purpose Jesus gives for the Lord’s Supper:

“Unless you eat of my body and drink of my blood, you shall have no life within you.”


193 posted on 02/15/2021 10:50:02 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
So now you bring up a multitude of other issues to diffuse the debate into too many contentions to have a clear resolution. We’re talking about the presence of Body of Christ in the form of bread and wine. “For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without recognizing the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.”

And which erroneous belief (that not "recognizing the body" refers to unbelief in the bread and wine being the body of Christ) was already already refuted, for as said i to you in post 147 "contextually the "body" that was not discerned is that of the body of Christ, the church, as briefly explained in post 125, by the grace of God well as in the link i provided you in post 188. Contextually the context is not the nature of bread and wine but both in this chapter and the next (as said before), it is the body of Christ bought with His blood, which Corinthians were not recognizing by eating independent of others at the feast, to the shame of them that have not, and thus they were not actually coming together to eat that supper.

Please note, that the purpose of blood in Jewish sacrifice was for the remission of sins, which is what purpose Jesus gives for the Lord’s Supper:

And which atonement was accomplished in Jn. 19:30 ("it is finished") and is commemorated in the Lord’s Supper as "one bread" showing remembrance by manifesting the union this wrought, sharing food in a communal meal with others who were purchased with that sinless shed blood, "For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew [declare] the Lord’s death till he come" (1 Corinthians 11:26)

“Unless you eat of my body and drink of my blood, you shall have no life within you.”

And as I told you in post 126 spiritual life is never obtained by literally physically eating anything, nor spiritual nourished by the same, but by believing the gospel and being strengthen in faith by the word of God, and thus living it out. Consistent with this, it is the word of God that is referred to as "milk" (1Cor. 3:2; 1Pt. 1:22) and "meat," (Heb. 5:12,14) and is said to nourish souls, (1Tim. 4:6) and build them up, (Acts 20:32) and thus the primary active function of pastors is to preach the word, (2Tim. 4:2) which is how they "feed the flock." (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2)

And as I told you in post 147, Moreover, if Catholics really took Jn 6:53,54 literally and as a imperative requirement just like other "verily, verily" statements, then they must exclude baptized Prots who deny Catholic Eucharistic theology (with its non-existent transubstantiated bread and wine) as being Christians in whom Christ dwells. Contrary to V2.

You are just taking up more of my time by resorting to the RC habit of reiterating refuted arguments, and trying to use Scripture as it was your determinitive authority, even though it is not and thus all arguments from it are dismissed.

For Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

And so around they go.

195 posted on 02/15/2021 12:23:46 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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To: dangus

You are conflating deceptively the passage in John 6 with the scene where Jesus instituted the remembrance using bread and wine. If what you’re trying to sell was truth you wouldn’t have to resort to deception. The catholiciism religion uses conflation in several things, deceiving people on purpose, like conflating the True Body of Christ CHURCH with the Catholic Org church.


196 posted on 02/15/2021 8:12:11 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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