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To: kosciusko51

So you reject that God gave us free will to accept or reject God?

God did not make “yes men’ Or “puppets”; He wants us to love God based on our free will.

Adam and Eve rejected God’s will and sinned.

Yes God’s graces help us in our faith and acceptance of faith in God, but we still have the choice to accept God and His Commandments and His love by our actions or we can reject God and His commandments.

When we understand John 15, we acknowledge that we are the branches that is fed by the vine (Jesus) and if we are not fruitful, then we are pruned. As Jesus told us in John 6:53 “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;” (Eucharist -eternal life).


19 posted on 11/20/2020 12:17:57 PM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM

These are Canons of the Roman Catholic Church. Are you saying you reject them?


20 posted on 11/20/2020 12:26:00 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: ADSUM; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; MamaB; ...
So you reject that God gave us free will to accept or reject God? God did not make “yes men’ Or “puppets”; He wants us to love God based on our free will. Adam and Eve rejected God’s will and sinned. Yes God’s graces help us in our faith and acceptance of faith in God, but we still have the choice to accept God and His Commandments and His love by our actions or we can reject God and His commandments.

Yes, soul can choose to sin, (Gn. 4:7) and do, but no one can come to God unless drawn by Him, (Jn. 6:44) and granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:18) by Him who convicts of sin, (Jn. 16:8) and opens hearts, and gives heart-purifying regenerating faith. (Eph. 2:8,9; Acts 10:43; 15:7-9) And who works to chasten wayward believers unto repentance so they will not be condemned with the world, (1 Co. 11:32) and warns the same against departing from the faith. (Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39; Gal. 5:1-4)

Which effectual faith is imputed for righteousness, (Rm. 4:5) and is set in contrast to any system of justification on the basis of meriting salvation and or actually becoming good enough to be with God. (Galatians 3:21; Titus 3:5) Which is what your Roman false gospel effectively teaches.

As Jesus told us in John 6:53 “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;” (Eucharist -eternal life).

Thus the question must be asked again and which RCs like yourself refuse to answer, which is if taking part in the Lord's supper is essential to obtain spiritual life, just as other "verily, verily" statements such as Jn. 3:3 are, then how can faithful Prots who reject Catholic transubstantiation be part of the body of Christ?

But contrary to the Catholic contrivance of the Lord's supper (see link), nowhere in the only wholly inspired-of-God and substantive record of what the NT church believed, which is Acts thru Revelation (which best shows how they understood the OT and the gospels) is the Lord's supper described as spiritual food, and the means of obtaining spiritual life in oneself. Instead, and consistent with the metaphorical use of eating and drinking, the word of God is what is called spiritual "milk," (1Co. 3:22; 1Pt. 1:22) and "meat," (Heb. 5:12-14) what is said to "nourish" the souls of believers, and believing it is how the lost obtain life in themselves. (1 Timothy 4:6; Acts 15:7-9; cf. Psalms 19:7) Thus the primary active function of pastors is preaching, (1 Timothy 4:2) by which they “feed the flock” (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2)

25 posted on 11/21/2020 2:54:59 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ADSUM; kosciusko51
So you reject that God gave us free will to accept or reject God? God did not make “yes men’ Or “puppets”; He wants us to love God based on our free will.

Except for Mary, by Catholic teaching.

However, to address your question, we cannot have free will for several reasons. For one thing, we are not totally free agents in the same way God is. We are constrained by our circumstances and time and space.

Another is that we have a sin nature that has a really annoying propensity to sin, to the point that Paul tells us that we are slaves to sin.

Romans 6:12-20 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.

Galatians 4:8-9 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

1 Timothy 2:24-26 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

Another is that man cannot come to God without the leading and drawing of the Holy Spirit.

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

If a person truly had *free will* then he would not need the Holy Spirit to draw him to Jesus.

Men have a will, for sure, but it is NOT free.

28 posted on 11/21/2020 5:40:26 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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