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To: grumpa

The abomination of desolation is a future event that will take place at the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week, as per Daniel 9.

It will reveal the final antichrist who will reign on earth for the remaining three-and-a-half years of this seven-year period. See 2 Thessalonians and Revelation 11:2-3 & 13:5 (42 months for two witnesses and 42 months for antichrist who exalts himself above God).

The two witnesses are Elijah and another unnamed prophet who is like Moses. In Matthew 17:10-13 Jesus said Elijah was going to come and restore all things. There will be another temple. It will have daily sacrifices again. These sacrifices will cease again at the abomination of desolation. Coincidentally, Elijah and Moses were the ones who appeared to Christ and Peter, James, and John at the transfiguration. These three disciples, plus Peter’s brother Andrew, were the only ones who heard the entirety of the Olivet discourse.

The Olivet discourse answered the 3 questions the disciples asked in response to Christ’s comment that the temple would be destroyed. While there is some content in Luke that was fulfilled in 70 AD, most of the discourse is about the end of the world and the signs leading up to it.

Seventy AD cannot have been when a complete fulfillment of the Olivet discourse prophecies occurred because the signs in the sky did not happen, and Christ did not visibly return with angels and gather His elect from the earth.


12 posted on 11/16/2020 8:41:20 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: unlearner

TY for that-


13 posted on 11/16/2020 9:16:46 PM PST by Bob434
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To: unlearner

Prophecy Questions for Dispensationalists

Dispensationalism is an offshoot of premillennialism that is relatively new among eschatological theories. John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) is usually credited with its invention, or at last its propagation. Its teachings include: (1) At the Second Coming, Christ will establish a literal utopian thousand-year period on earth, (2) A physical rapture of the church will occur before a future Great Tribulation, near the beginning of the millennium, and (3) The temple in Jerusalem will be re-built in which sacrifices for sin will be re-instituted. Here are some questions for dispensationalists:

1. If the land promise to Israel is forever and unconditional, why does God say it is conditional in Deuteronomy 28? Didn’t Israel receive all the land promised to Abraham in Joshua 21:43-45; 23:14-15?

2. Wasn’t the “Israel of God” (Galatians 6:15-16) given to those individuals, either Jew or Gentile, who believe (Romans 2:28-29; 10:1-4; Galatians 2:15-16; 3:28-29, 4:24-31; 1 Peter 2:5-10; Revelation 3:9)?

3. Doesn’t the New Testament explain that while the physical temple was about to be destroyed (Matthew 24:2; 34), it is being replaced by the church with Christ as the cornerstone and Christians as the living stones (Ephesians 2:20-22; 1 Peter 2:4-8)?

4. Are there any references in the Bible to the temple being built a third time? If there is going to be a rebuilt Jewish temple in the future, why does Scripture say God does not dwell in temples made by hands anymore (Acts 7:48, 17:24)? Isn’t Christ the new temple (John 2:19-21; Revelation 21:22)?

5. Don’t all the New Testament texts comparing Israel to a fig tree point to Jerusalem’s destruction rather than its restoration (example: Luke 13:6-9)?

6. Do you believe that two-thirds of the Jews will be slaughtered in a Holocaust II (John Walvoord’s book Israel in Prophecy)? If so, how can you call yourself pro-Israel? When you pray for Jesus to come soon, or the supposed imminent rapture, aren’t you preaching or even asking for a near term slaughter of the Jews? Isn’t this teaching based almost entirely on one verse—Zechariah 13:8—yet the New Testament places the previous verse (13:7) squarely in the time of Christ (Hebrews 13:20)? Isn’t it clear enough that Zechariah 14:2 must refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70?

7. If we are in the New Covenant era, which Scripture says is FOREVER (Hebrews 13:20), why would God go back to a temple system of the Old Covenant which Paul called bondage (Galatians 4)?

8. If God was going to go back to animal sacrifices for sin in a future millennium, does that mean Christ died in vain (Galatians 2:21)?

9. Why can Jesus’ earthly kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, when Jesus himself said the hour was coming when worshipping God would NOT be in Jerusalem (John 4:21)?

10. Doesn’t every mention of the last days in the New Testament refer to the first century (Matthew 24:3, 14, 34; Acts 2:14-20; 1 Corinthians 7:29-31; 10:11; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Hebrews 1:2; 9:26; James 5:3-9; 1 Peter 1:5, 20; 4:7; 2 Peter 3:3; 1 John 2:18; Jude 18).

11. Is there anywhere in the New Testament a trace of evidence for a secret, invisible, instantaneous rapture of the church? If Jesus is going to rapture the church out of the world, why does Jesus pray for the exact opposite thing to happen—that the church would NOT be taken out of the world—in John 17:15?

12. Is there any verse in the Bible that teaches a “seven-year tribulation? If the great tribulation (Daniel 12:1; Matthew 24:21) is global, why did Jesus tell those living in Judea to flee to the mountains to avoid the tribulation (Matthew 24:16)?

13. How can Jesus’ kingdom have not yet come, when John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, and the apostles all declared the “kingdom of God is at hand” (Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7; Acts 28:31)?

14. Is there a single verse that explicitly teaches that the antichrist will make a covenant with the Jews and then break it? Is the antichrist even mentioned in Revelation?

15. Can you prove that there is a two thousand-year gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel 9? Aren’t the 70 weeks confined to the AD 70 destruction of the temple per Daniel 9:27 and 12?

This is an excerpt from a longer article with more Questions for Dispensationalists at my website which I invite you to consider and comment upon:

https://prophecyquestions.com/2014/01/10/prophecy-questions-specifically-for-dispensationalists


15 posted on 11/17/2020 5:22:11 AM PST by grumpa
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To: unlearner; LucyT

The abomination of desolation is a future event that will take place at the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week, as per Daniel 9.

It will reveal the final antichrist who will reign on earth for the remaining three-and-a-half years of this seven-year period. See 2 Thessalonians and Revelation 11:2-3 & 13:5 (42 months for two witnesses and 42 months for antichrist who exalts himself above God).

There will be another temple. It will have daily sacrifices again. These sacrifices will cease again at the abomination of desolation.

The Olivet discourse answered the 3 questions the disciples asked in response to Christ’s comment that the temple would be destroyed. While there is some content in Luke that was fulfilled in 70 AD, most of the discourse is about the end of the world and the signs leading up to it.

Seventy AD cannot have been when a complete fulfillment of the Olivet discourse prophecies occurred because the signs in the sky did not happen, and Christ did not visibly return with angels and gather His elect from the earth.

That is an excellent summary of the applicable scripture. Interesting the sudden focus on the Abomination of Desolation event.

In my view, there is a reasonable position that we are at the mid point of the 70th week at this time. The seven years is not a period of the agreement but instead the term--like many legal documents, the term is described in the form of achievement events.

The mid-point of the seven year term of the Interim Status Agreement was the handing over of the West Bank territory to PA administration at the end of three and one-half years; the next achievement event was the PA modification of its charter to remove the elimination of Israel clause--that didn't happen; so we have been stuck at the mid point of the seven years ever since.

Next, on May 20, 2020, the PA terminated all of its remaining obligations under all of the agreements with Israel.

It does not appear to me that construction of a Third Temple is required as a prerequisite to resumption of the sacrifices--the sacrificial worship system was in place for 400 years before construction of the first Temple and there is no reason it might not be instituted in a tent--perhaps on the Temple Mount.

Maybe in fact the Temple reconstruction interpretation will prove correct; maybe not.

These events may happen in a short period of time unadvertised--I doubt God will take out a front page ad in the Wall Street Journal. Particularly in light of the Lord's comments in Matthew 24:42-51.

16 posted on 11/17/2020 7:19:42 AM PST by David
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