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To: MurphsLaw

Why aren’t you answering any of my questions?


92 posted on 08/26/2020 6:52:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: metmom
Why aren’t you answering any of my questions?

Sheesh....I had to go help the neighbor.... hah! A good deed! And you know what St. Paul told those pagan Romans! .....
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

So I’m kinda tired.... I thought this science was amazing....I’m gonna dig deeper into it....Yes we know....There are no verses concerning Joseph, just as there are no verses concerning The Trinity, and no verses that validate justification by faith alone as well.
You also cannot prove a 12 year old Jesus in the Temple had any siblings..... you cannot prove Joseph was a young virile studly guy, you cannot prove he was not previously married or a previous father....... We do know Joseph was out of the picture early.....And no one can know why......

We do know Joseph and Mary were NOT your ordinary couple. Unless angels visiting you is ho-hum Kind of thing for ya. We DO KNOW angels had visited them on multiple occasions, and can assume the Angels would not have just left them alone after warning them to go to Eygypt and then to come back. If Elizabeth knew Mary was the “Mother of my Lord” then so did Joseph.Talk about killing a sex drive. Then of course we have Jesus disregarding Jewish law and giving Mary to John from the cross.....and making John take Mary as his Mother.....which I am sure Jesus “ siblings” Would have liked to have had a say in that...... You Can’t give your mother to someone else..... spin that one from Christ on the Cross....

your faith in the miraculous is so limiting... 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! Christ can be transfigured with Moses, Isaiah- Rise from the dead.... Ascend into Heaven.... but Joseph has a more important libido to take care of....as the Angels looked on....Now THAT’S some major league pressure right there....

Today, the most commonly accepted view is that they were Jesus’ cousins. Of the four “brethren” who are named in the Gospels, consider only James; similar reasoning can be used for the other three. We know that James the younger’s mother was named Mary. Look at the descriptions of the women standing beneath the cross: “among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee” (Matt. 27:56); “There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome” (Mark 15:40).

Then look at what John says: “But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene” (John 19:25). If we compare these parallel accounts of the scene of the crucifixion, we see that the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Clopas.

An argument against this, though, is that James is elsewhere (Matt. 10:3) described as the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Clopas and Alphaeus. But Alphaeus and Clopas are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek either as Alphaeus or as Clopas. Another possibility is that Alphaeus took a Greek name similar to his Jewish name, the way that Saul took the name Paul.

So it’s probable that James the younger is the son of Mary and Clopas. The second-century historian Hegesippus explains that Clopas was the brother of Joseph, the foster-father of Jesus. James would thus be Joseph’s nephew and a cousin of Jesus, who was Joseph’s putative son.

This identification of the “brethren of the Lord” as Jesus’ first cousins is open to legitimate question, but our inability to determine for certain their exact status strictly on the basis of the biblical evidence (or lack of it) says nothing at all about the main point, which is that the Bible demonstrates that they were not the Blessed Virgin Mary’s children. Catholic Answers.

145 posted on 08/26/2020 9:35:31 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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