Should we Evangelize Protestants ?

The Catholic Thing ^ | August 9th, 2020 | Casey Chalk

[metmom]

That’s right.

[Mom MD]

Actually they think she is higher than Christ because they say Christ has to obey her

[Mark17]

but then insist that she had a choice when the angel Gabriel announced she would bear the Messiah. What if she said no? Would she get a retroactive sin nature???

LOL, a retroactive sin nature. Now that, is funny. It’s a good question, though. Just my opinion, but I think that every young Jewish girl dreamed of being the mother of the savior. They may not have completely understood it. I don’t think Mary understood it. She had to ask how, since she didn’t “know” a man, sexually.
This so called “choice” idea is bogus. The angel Gabriel, didn’t ask Mary for her permission. He TOLD her what was going to happen. There was no choice involved.
I think you are on to something. It’s pointless to argue with Catholics about Mary. I don’t agree with them, on Mary, but, whatever. 😁

[boatbums]

Yes, it certainly does. I love reading the Psalms for it shows the relationship King David had with Almighty God. When we read all the wonderous ways that the Creator and sustainer of the UNIVERSE loves, cherished, guards, searches out and protects those that are His, it blows my mind. I often get choked up when I'm reading things like:

Psalm 16:1
Preserve me, O God, for in You I take refuge.

Psalm 27:5
For in the day of trouble He will hide me in His shelter; He will conceal me under the cover of His tent; He will set me high upon a rock.

Psalm 36:7
How precious is Your loving devotion, O God, that the children of men take refuge in the shadow of Your wings.

Psalm 57:1
Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy, for in You my soul takes refuge. In the shadow of Your wings I will take shelter until the danger has passed.

Psalm 61:4
Let me dwell in Your tent forever and take refuge in the shelter of Your wings. Selah

Psalm 63:7
For You are my help; I will sing for joy in the shadow of Your wings.

Psalm 73:23-26
Yet I am always with You;You hold my right hand. You guide me with Your counsel, and later receive me in glory. Whom have I in heaven but You? And on earth I desire no one besides You. My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart

and my portion forever. Psalm 91:1
He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.

Psalm 91:4
He will cover you with His feathers; under His wings you will find refuge; His faithfulness is a shield and rampart.

Psalm 103:13,14
As a father has compassion on his children, so the LORD has compassion on those who fear Him. For He knows our frame; He is mindful that we are dust.

I can't help but believe that all of that is in there for our benefit so that we never think God doesn't care about us or that we must appeal to some mortal human being to be our go-between. That's the kind of faith I know Mary had and she, though a simple Israelite woman, knew she could trust in what God had promised. I may not know why God allows certain things in my life, but I know He loves me and wants what is best for me and that's why I have grown to trust Him more and more.

I don't think some of our Catholic friends really believe that and it's why they lift up Mary and the Saints as their intercessors. They're closer to God, they reason, so maybe He will hear them. Or He's busy with the big stuff, don't "bother" Jesus. How much they are missing!

God bless you, MomMD. Have a great weekend!

[Mom MD]

You as well! We are all blessed beyond our wildest imagining. I can’t wait for the day we find out just how blessed

[boatbums]

I think we should hold onto the celebrations of Christmas and Easter because for now at least the rest of the world still recognizes that they are about Jesus Christ. Perfect opportunities for witnessing to the lost.

[Mark17]

Well, then, if the Catholic hoops of baptism, penance, eating Jesus and drinking His blood, can’t guarantee you a spot in heaven, they why even bother?

Bingo. That is the point I reached in my catholic life. I got so frustrated, struggling against sin, and I was still convinced I was on my way to Hell, and there wasn’t a single, solitary thing I could do about it. Since I was sure, that as a Catholic, I was going to hell anyway, I figured I might as well enjoy the ride, so I began to eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow I died. By then, I was sick of Catholicism, that I was ready to hear the simple truth of the REAL gospel. 😁

[Mom MD]

A the fact that you recognized there wasn’t a single solitary thing you could do about it showed more wisdom than the entire roman church. There is nothing we can do about it. Only Christ can save us

[daniel1212]

Your comment: “All the RCC extra Biblical doctrine of transubstantiation etc. stem from pagan roots of Isis/Osiris Baal and Dagon and and and... “ You are clueless, the Sacrament of the Eucharist was given to us by Jesus Christ at the Last Supper. It was passed down to Catholics through Sacred Tradition before Scriptures were written and continues as the summit and source of our Christian life.

In post 423 I responded to and refuted ADSUM's response to the statement in the first sentence above, but since I had only quoted the first sentence in her(?) response then she sent me a FReepmail response protesting this since she seems to think someone may think the offering charge was from her.

In response I stated that in hindsight I see that I could and should have put in brackets "Your [Manly Warrior] comment," and would issue a clarification to her reply, though I think the chances of anyone thinking she made the statement she find offensive is small.

Thus to confirm, ADSUM did not make the comment: “All the RCC extra Biblical doctrine of transubstantiation etc. stem from pagan roots of Isis/Osiris Baal and Dagon" and which she protested against, of which protest I later included in my response in post 423.

[Sir_Ed]

Of course, you’re right. I’m referring to the people who thought they were Christians, but Jesus said “get away from Me, I never knew you.”

[Sir_Ed]

They are irreconcilable, but what if neither belief is necessary for salvation? What if one can have heretical beliefs and still go to Heaven, if you believe in Jesus and His resurrection?

I know when I was younger I was quite confused in many theological beliefs, but I don’t think those errant beliefs disqualified me from Heaven.

I’m quite sure that now, though older, I still have errant beliefs and sins I haven’t seen yet. I also don’t believe they disqualify me from Heaven.

For I believe one thing more than any other: Jesus Christ died to set me free, to raise me up to be with Him in Heaven if I believe in His death and resurrection...which I wholeheartedly do.

I think all else is fluff, chazerai. Though obviously it’s good to have deeper and deeper understanding of Scripture, I just don’t believe it’s necessary for salvation.

[ADSUM]

Jesus, the Son of God, was sent by the Father to restore the harmony between himself and humanity that had been disrupted by sin. He came to teach and show us love. We are here to know God, accept his Truth and love Him and our neighbor.

Your comment; “Looks like it is you who is making false statements about the Catholic faith as well as contradicting God’s Truth, His Word and your OWN Catechism!”

There was nothing that I said that contradicts the Catholic faith or Catholic Catechism. You make a blanket statement and then quote various parts of the Catholic Catechism.

[Elsie]

The keys are a symbol of the teaching authority given to Peter and his successors that includes interpreting the Bible.

Looks like Ol' Pete (and others) did a mighty poor job of it; according to the book Rome assembled!

Merely reading the first 3 chapters of Revelation proves the "Catholic Church" couldn't teach SQUAWT!

[Elsie]

The Blessed Mother is not a deity and Catholics do not worship her.

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Let's try some easy math:

 

 

 

There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;

 

If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;

 

that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.

 

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)

 

...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!

 

Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!

[Elsie]

Catholics idolize Mary and some worship her, believing she is more than human and only slightly below Christ.

Didn't I just PROVE this?

Heck; she should have her own comic book since she OBVIOUSLY has Super Powers!

[Elsie]

https://www.stempublishing.com/authors/turner/WGT_JND.html

from “Sketch of the Life and Labours of J. N. Darby”
John Nelson Darby on “adoration” — (hyperdulia or dulia)

“’The correctness of a formal and deliberate confession of faith is not always of itself a sufficient safeguard against error, in the habitual impression of the mind. The Romanists flatter themselves that they are safe from idolatry, because they distinctly acknowledge the truth, that GOD only is to be served (namely, with latria), though they allow adoration (hyperdulia and dulia) to the Virgin and their saints, to images, and to relics. To which it has been justly replied, that, supposing this distinction correct in itself, it would be in practice nugatory, since the mass of the people must soon, as experience proves, lose sight of it entirely in their habitual devotions.’

[Elsie]

So true!

[Elsie]

Heck; there's also gonna be some Sadducees and Pharisees there; too!

[Elsie]

Just THINK of all the time you’ve saved; being able to do other stuff!

[Elsie]

Well; at least SOMEONE addressed what I posted!