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Posted on 08/09/2020 7:46:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw
“ there is also a recognition that many are imperfect in their faith in God with their rejection of key revealed truths from God.”
The homosexual Catholic priesthood is a good example - in fact that isn’t imperfect. It is opposite of God’s revelation.
Yet it is fully accepted in the Vatican, where the also worshipped fertility idols.
And then there is the horrific child sexual a use by your priests, and the coverup by your leadership.
This abuse occurred worldwide and for decades, under multiple popes.
Pro Tip:
Christ’s church isn’t gay, isn’t idolatrous, and isn’t filled with sexual abusers.
You should find a Christian Church ADSUM.
You claim salvation from Our Lord Jesus suffering and dying on the cross and His conquering death by His Resurrection, yet blaspheme His Blessed Mother who bore our Savior and was obedient to God’s will and was the new ark of the new covenant.
Our Catholic cult (formal religious veneration;worship) was established by Christ, while your cult (religion regarded as spurious) was established by man rejecting some of God’s revealed truths.
You continue to make a false statement (a sin) that the Catholic faith worships Mary, the Mother of God. The Blessed Mother was assumed body and soul into Heaven and is alive with her son. Yes, we pray to and for the Blessed Mother (the first and sinless Catholic disciple of our Lord) and to the saints for their prayers and intercession with Jesus in Heaven. We try to follow their example so that we too may be worthy to enter Heaven.
again proving the point. only a diety can be blasphemed so you do consider Mary part of the godhead. Talk about blasphemy. Please tell me where Christ encouraged anyone to venerate or worship Mary or called her the new ark?
You also state you try to follow the example of Mary to be worthy of Heaven. The only way to be worthy of Heaven is to be covered by the Blood of Jesus freely given as a gift not by your works or intercession or saints or anyone else. Christ alone and His righteousness is the only way to salvation.
I would also appreciate any scripture reference where believers are told to pray to saints, Mary, or anyone but God. I would also like references for the sinlessness of Mary. While you are at it please throw in the Scripture references for the assumption of Mary bodily into heaven? Surely such an important and miraculous event would be recorded in scripture
Every post you make shows the apostasy of the Roman Church more clearly.
No they don't...There weren't any priests in the church...There were no rituals...Priests wearing long robes (as Catholic priests do) were condemned and forbidden...For you to call these robed, unmarried priests Father in violation of the scriptures is ludicrous...
There's not a single piece of scripture that calls anyone in the church Father...
What you're not mentioning is that the bible is not a source for Catholic doctrine or dogma...This comes in handy when you want to indoctrinate the rare Catholic who questions your knowledge of the church and you point to the corrupted writing of some of the your Church Fathers as well as your catechism, as if they are far more authoritative than the actual words of God in scripture...
It's funny that while you've been corrected with scripture time after time after time, you just continue to ignore those plain scriptures and repeat your Catholic spiel...Your thick skin and persistence I suppose is commendable...And of course you can't buckle under any scripture truth since you would ultimately lose your income and abode not to mention prestige...
It should be remarkable to the occasional Catholic who might wander onto these threads see posts and commentary from born again Christians from all over the Country and even the World who never meeting each other agree on what the scriptures say and mean, for the most part...How's that possible???
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
We do not need a long robed priest to give us 'last rites'...We got the 'first rights' the moment we accepted Jesus...We do not fear any place called purgatory...
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Apparently you're not familiar with this operation...
“not by your works or intercession or saints”
I’d like “them” to explain the whole “saint” thing. According to them, a person becomes a saint if a pope decrees it, or shakes some chicken bones over someone.
In the New Testament, ALL born-again Christians are “saints”. Epistles are addressed to “to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse”, “to the saints which are at Ephesus”, etc. The letters are written to all Christians who make up the body of Christ.
None of the saints had to do something magical. No pope made some decree (which makes perfect sense, since a pope is a made-up title/person).
I’m glad to be a saint.
Mary is the new ark? Never heard that one before. I did hear that she’s an Untier Of Knots, though. That’s cool; I could use her when I’m quilting.
Me too. I get some doozies
It comes down to what it always has come down to for the Roman church - power and control. Only they have the Truth. Only they can declare saints. Only their priests can interpret scripture. Only they can sell indulgences for get you out of made you purgatory. Anything they make up is Truth and you better believe it. You can’t get to Heaven without being part of their exclusive club. Power and control have nothing to do with Christianity but are the sole goals of the Roman Church
Abraham WAS a father of the Hebrews...He was the Patriarch...What's that got to do with the church??? They killed goats and sheep to extract their blood for sacrifice??? What's that got to do with the church??? Do Catholics really fall for that argument???
And the blind and rabid attachment to a specific denomination is something I don’t get.
I was raised Baptist, and consider myself that. But we’ve moved a few times and had to find a church in each place. A couple times the Baptist churches were a little “off” when it came to sticking strictly to the Scriptures. Then we’ve found other non-Baptist churches that were better. A denomination isn’t important.
“ Our Catholic cult (formal religious veneration;worship) was established by Christ
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If that is true, why is the priesthood gay??
Why do your priests sexually abuse children??
“ The Blessed Mother was assumed body and soul into Heaven and is alive with her son.
Made up.
Never in Scripture.
“ Yes, we pray to and for the Blessed Mother
Never commanded n scripture.
Not taught by a single apostle.
Why?
“ Blessed Mother (the first and sinless Catholic disciple
Never in Scripture.
Why?
“ We try to follow their example so that we too may be worthy to enter Heaven.”
Not the Gospel that will ever get a single soul to heaven.
“ and was the new ark of the new covenant.
Never in Scripture.
Why??
And the blind and rabid attachment to a specific denomination is something I don’t get.
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Pinging others to either back me up or correct me. But this was my experience.
Catholics are taught that being Catholic makes you better than everyone else. Not a forgiven sinner, but morally and intellectually superior, and the ONLY group deserving of salvation because of all their good works. The pride of being in “the one true church” is a lure that is hard to escape.
I find it kind of amusing and kind of sad that the vanity of being Catholic is paired with the constant hammering of guilt that is also part and parcel of being Catholic.
To admit that any other Christians may have a point brings down the whole house of cards.
“ The pride of being in “the one true church” is a lure that is hard to escape.
Cant speak for the average Catholic, but we seem to have quite a few Roman Roosters here, that crow and crow and crow, and believe their incessant prideful crowing makes the sun rise.
They do occasionally take time to smugly preen themselves...
If literally anything was removed from Catholicism, it would collapse, because it proves the lie of infallability.
Why do FRomans hate the Pope? It’s not because he’s leftist; it’s because he’s “Protestant.” They don’t hate wickedness; they hate being wrong.
Sounds about right.
Your comment: “only a diety can be blasphemed so you do consider Mary part of the godhead.”
Yes, you are right, I shouldn’t have used the word blaspheme with the Blessed Mother. My mistake. I should have used disrespectful. I should have referred to your blasphemy (a mortal sin) against Jesus.
God was very specific about every exact detail of the ark (Ex 25-30). It was a place where God himself would dwell (Ex 25:8). God wanted his words—inscribed on stone—housed in a perfect container covered with pure gold within and without. How much more would he want his Word—Jesus—to have a perfect dwelling place! If the only begotten Son were to take up residence in the womb of a human girl, would he not make her flawless?
The Virgin Mary is the living shrine of the Word of God, the Ark of the New and Eternal Covenant. In fact, St. Luke’s account of the Annunciation of the angel to Mary nicely incorporates the images of the tent of meeting with God in Sinai and of the temple of Zion. Just as the cloud covered the people of God marching in the desert (cf. Nm 10:34; Dt 33:12; Ps 91:4) and just as the same cloud, as a sign of the divine mystery present in the midst of Israel, hovered over the Ark of the Covenant (cf. Ex 40:35), so now the shadow of the Most High envelops and penetrates the tabernacle of the New Covenant that is the womb of Mary (cf. Lk 1:35). (Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People, The Shrine: Memory, Presence and Prophecy of the Living God)
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/mary-the-ark-of-the-new-covenant
Does the Bible say we should approach the saints with our prayers? Yes, in two places. In Revelation 5:8 John saw the Lamb, Christ Jesus, on a throne in the midst of four beasts and 24 elders. When the Lamb took the book with the seven seals, the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb in worship, “each one having a harp and golden bowls of incenses, which are the prayers of the saints.”
Similarly, in Revelation 8:3-4 we are told that something similar happened when the Lamb opened the seventh seal of the book: “Another angel came and stood on the altar, having a golden censer, and many incenses were given to him, in order that he will give it with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incenses went up with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.”
These texts give us a way to understand how the saints offer our prayers for us. Our prayers are like nuggets of incense. They smell sweet and good. The 24 elders around the throne, who are saints, and the angels offer these nuggets of incense for us. They set them on fire before the throne of God.
This is a beautiful image of how the intercession of the saints works. Because the saints are so close to the fire of God’s love and because they stand immediately before him, they can set our prayers on fire with their love and release the power of our prayers.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-bible-supports-praying-to-the-saints
Jesus exhorts us to pray not simply for ourselves, but for others, including praying for our persecutors (Matt. 5:44), because Jesus knows that intercessory prayers draw us closer together in him, and can also help foster our enemies’ conversion. In that light, there’s no competition when we ask someone to pray for us, including petitioning Mary and the saints, because they are collaborators with God, not competitors. Indeed, apart from Jesus they (and we praying for each other on earth) could do nothing (John 15:1-5). And so we are members of the mystical body of Christ and thus have—or should have—concern for the spiritual well-being of others (1 Cor. 12:25-26).
The doctrine of the Assumption of Mary began with a historical event to which Scripture alludes and that been believed in the Church for 2,000 years. It was passed down in the oral tradition of the Church and developed over the centuries, but it was always believed by the Catholic faithful. Let us examine the facts:
1. Archaeology has revealed two tombs of Mary, one in Jerusalem and one in Ephesus. The fact that Mary lived in both places explains the two tombs. But what is inexplicable apart from the Assumption is the fact that there is no body in either tomb. And there are no relics. Anyone who peruses early Church history knows that Christian belief in the communion of saints and the sanctity of the body—in radical contrast to the Gnostic disdain for “the flesh”—led early Christians to seek out with the greatest fervor relics from the bodies of great saints. Cities, and, later, religious orders, would fight over the bones of great saints.
This is one reason why we have relics of the apostles and so many of the greatest saints and martyrs in history. Yet never was there a single relic of Mary’s body? As revered as Mary was, this would be very strange, except for the fact of the assumption of her body.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-assumption-of-mary-in-history
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