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Should we Evangelize Protestants ?
The Catholic Thing ^ | August 9th, 2020 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/09/2020 7:46:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw

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To: metmom

1/2 BeastMark


341 posted on 08/13/2020 4:24:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

“ The Catholic Catechism is based on the authority that Jesus gave His Catholic Church

Nonsense.

The Roman Church today wouldn’t be recognized by the Apostles.

The shrines to Mary
The gay costumery
The gay clergy
Priests
Pagan rituals...


342 posted on 08/13/2020 4:26:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: ADSUM

“ How can your church have so many different doctrines about God’s Truth?

Dude, your (gay) clergy can’t even agree with each other...

Mr. Adsum, please pick up the courtesy phone.


343 posted on 08/13/2020 4:28:34 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

But LUTHER!


344 posted on 08/13/2020 5:22:05 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: ADSUM
From past posts you claimed to be a Lutheran that was established by an excommunicated Catholic priest for heresy that established a new religion and subsequently has split into Over 40 different Lutheran denominations currently exist in North America.


345 posted on 08/13/2020 5:25:31 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: Elsie

Bwahahahaha ... you’ve been eavesdropping I see.


346 posted on 08/13/2020 6:14:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ADSUM; Faith Presses On
The Gospel and readings from both the Old Testament and the New Testament have been included in the Mass for 2000 years (even before the Bible was written or the protestant religions were formed by man).

Tell me, Adsum, how could readings from BOTH the Old and New Testaments be included in the Mass for 2000 years if according to you it was "before the Bible was written"??? Wanna walk that one back?

347 posted on 08/13/2020 6:56:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ADSUM; Luircin
The problem with protestants is that do not understand what faith is.

The problem with Catholics is that they do not understand what GRACE is.

348 posted on 08/13/2020 7:28:53 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; ADSUM

Tell me, Adsum, how could readings from BOTH the Old and New Testaments be included in the Mass for 2000 years if according to you it was “before the Bible was written”??? Wanna walk that one back?

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ADSUM doesn’t understand that Catholics didn’t have a Bible at all until after Luther. They just had a collection of books but no official canon of Scripture.

There’s a reason that many Catholic Bibles still included the Gnostic Gospel of Nicodemus at the time of Luther, and why the books that became known as the Apocrypha were still being debated among scholars.

It’s really pathetic to claim that Catholicism wrote the Bible when they hadn’t even assembled a canon of Scripture 1500 years after Jesus.

And the misspeaks are just generally hilarious; I’ll bet that he’s getting angrier and angrier the more he can’t answer the truth.


349 posted on 08/13/2020 7:59:28 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ADSUM; Luircin; metmom
Protestants appear to have faith by words and not works, accordingly they selectively accept some of god’s revealed truths while ignoring other truths, they reject the authority of Jesus to appoint St Peter and his successors to preach and baptize and to protect God’s reveled truth in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

Must be a special charism given to you that you can determine what "Protestants" think and believe in their hearts. Just because I do not rely upon my works to merit my salvation doesn't mean I don't DO any good works! What changed in my conversion from the false gospel of Catholicism was my motivation for living a holy, obedient life. The reason that happened was because God revealed to my heart the TRUE gospel that I am saved by His unmerited, undeserved, unearned grace through faith/trust/believing in His promises and NOT on the basis of my works.

What do you think honors God and brings glory to Him more - someone who does good works out of the fear of hell or one who does them out of a grateful and loving heart for what God has done for him? I'm thinking it's the latter. In fact...I don't believe doing good works because we are afraid God will send us to hell if we don't is a sign of genuine faith at all. It is telling me that person DOUBTS what God has promised and revealed in His word and they think the onus is on them to work their way to heaven - to makes themselves worthy of eternal life. And that is contrary to what the Good News is all about.

This is why Catholicism accuses those who believe in the assurance of their salvation - that we can KNOW we have eternal life - of the "sin of presumption". If it all depends upon what I do, then I can't know I am saved because I won't know if I have been good enough or die in the "state of grace" by my actions until that moment. If, on the other hand according to Scripture, my salvation depends upon what Christ has done for me by being the once-for-all sacrifice for sin and I believe in and accept Him as my Savior, then I CAN trust God's promise that everyone who believes in Him has eternal life.

Can you see now why I reject the accursed Gospel of Catholicism and it would be wrong for me to return? Your catechism states that "they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it." Well, I do NOT believe that is a true statement. I reject that entering the Catholic church is necessary for me to be saved. I know you do and you certainly have the freedom to believe whatever you want. You should be happy that someone who leaves your church STILL remains in the Christian faith and lives in obedience to Christ giving glory to God. I will continue to trust in Christ to save me rather than a church.

350 posted on 08/13/2020 8:11:44 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Luircin; ADSUM
I know what you believe because I read your Catechism. You have no idea what I believe because you’ve never read mine AND you’ve never even asked.

And even if he did ask you, his OWN catechism acknowledges:

    838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324

351 posted on 08/13/2020 8:28:45 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Nor do they understand the concept of forgiveness.

Catholicism teaches that forgiveness is something you have to earn or merit. Or work for by doing something like penance.

It completely denies the very concept of forgiveness, which is a complete freedom from penalty or debt by the person wronged.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forgive

1) to cease to feel resentment against (an offender) : pardon eg...forgive one’s enemies

2a : to give up resentment of or claim to requital (see requital sense 1) for forgive an insult

b : to grant relief from payment of

Forgiveness is FREELY given by the offended.

It cannot be worked for or earned. A person cannot demand forgiveness. If it’s not freely given for no cost to the guilty party, then it’s not forgiveness.

We are declared righteous before God based on forgiveness, HIM choosing to forgive our sin debt and relate to us as if the sin never happened. When He forgives us, we owe God NOTHING for the sin we committed because God has chosen to release us from the penalty due for it.


352 posted on 08/13/2020 8:32:56 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie
If, on the other hand, the person is unable, or even unwilling, to wear it or carry it, it may even be slipped, unknown to them, into their clothes, possessions, home or work environments, etc."

Just...wow....

353 posted on 08/13/2020 8:41:30 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: metmom

And God the Son had to get crucified to do it!

It’s horrifying that Catholics think that their own good deeds can earn credit anywhere near comparison to what Jesus did for us.


354 posted on 08/13/2020 8:58:54 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom
1) to cease to feel resentment against (an offender) : pardon eg...forgive one’s enemies

2a : to give up resentment of or claim to requital (see requital sense 1) for forgive an insult

I have read that "forgiveness" is giving up my right to get even with the one who wronged me. We have ALL sinned and fall way, way short of the perfection/glory of God. The wages of sin is DEATH. Only by blood is there atonement for the soul. God requires a life to be taken - the sacrifice for sin is death and Christ made that sacrifice for all. The sinless, spotless Lamb of God, by His blood made eternal propitiation for all our sins. God has made that payment FOR us and by Christ's blood we are redeemed. God forgives the sin debt we owe - and could only have paid by our individual eternal deaths. It boggles my mind how some people STILL think they have to add their own scrawny, putrid, filthy works on top of that!

355 posted on 08/13/2020 9:01:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

*,usic* Do you believe in magic


356 posted on 08/13/2020 9:20:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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Here’s the “M” my big fingers missed


357 posted on 08/13/2020 9:22:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: boatbums
...and have been properly baptized …



358 posted on 08/14/2020 5:11:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

Abracadabra!


359 posted on 08/14/2020 5:11:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Hocu pocus


360 posted on 08/14/2020 7:21:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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