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To: unlearner
The antichrist cannot come to power until the Body of Christ is removed from this Earth, because it is the Presence of The Holy Spirit in the spirit of His Believers which restrains the lawlessness.

The wrath of God begins when the Body of Christ is removed ... look at how many die due to the catastrophic result of removing so many in an instant. I happen to believe the reason antichrist gets such cooperation from the population is due to his seemingly miraculous ability to ease the aftermath of the removal and the horrific effects that has on the population centers. It may also be that the antichrist will end the Ezekiel war and make protection for Israel such that they accept the antichrist as their Messiah.

109 posted on 08/03/2020 7:40:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Ok, so here’s the part I don’t get or like. He says “If you command the UFO’s to leave in Jesus name they’re gone just like that” and he snaps his finger.

Now, if the devils and his demons could be rid of that easily this world would be a thousand times better.

I believe every word of the bible, but these guys seem like they live in a bubble.


110 posted on 08/03/2020 7:46:26 PM PDT by GulfMan
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To: MHGinTN
The antichrist cannot come to power until the Body of Christ is removed from this Earth, because it is the Presence of The Holy Spirit in the spirit of His Believers which restrains the lawlessness.

There is NO such Scripture to base this claim. Christ sure never made any such statement... This earth belongs to the Creator and He intents on reclaiming it, and He very much expects some to stand again for Him. Who is the 'anti-Christ'? Absolutely necessary knowledge to not fall for the deception that this world is already in up to its global eyeballs!!!

111 posted on 08/03/2020 7:48:14 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: MHGinTN

“The antichrist cannot come to power until the Body of Christ is removed from this Earth, because it is the Presence of The Holy Spirit in the spirit of His Believers which restrains the lawlessness.”

I disagree on several points. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin to bring repentance. However, this conviction does not “restrain” sin/iniquity/lawlessness. If anything, it causes those who are convicted but who remain in their unrepentant state to become more lawless, not less.

Acts 7:54 (NKJV)
When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.

John 15:22 (NKJV)
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Further, the function of the “restrainer” in 2 Thessalonians 2 is not to restrain the general lawlessness of the world, but to restrain the lawless one from being revealed until the proper time. This event must happen at the precise time God has ordained.

“The wrath of God begins when the Body of Christ is removed”

On this we agree. What we disagree about is what God’s wrath constitutes. God can and will allow His elect to go through times of great deception and delusion, times of war, times of disease, times of famine, and times of persecution. He does not take us out of this world but keeps us from the evil one. However, when God pours out His fiery wrath on the world, at the hands of His holy angels, He will first remove the Church.

One of the major problems the Thessalonians were experiencing is having trouble distinguishing between the trials, tribulations, and persecutions they were experiencing with the terrifying nature of God’s wrath being poured out on the earth in the Day of Wrath. I believe the pre-tribulational rapture view presents the same difficulty.


151 posted on 08/04/2020 1:21:18 PM PDT by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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