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To: Philsworld
Thanks for the response...

I like this explanation by Michael Schiefler:
So the author of the law, the Son of God, had to die because His Law could not be changed. It stands eternal, forever, the law of liberty and righteousness, the very character of God put in words. By dying in our place, He has offered His perfection, His ability to keep the Law of God perfectly, to you a sinner. The demands of the Law of God are met, paid for in full. By believing on Jesus Christ in this matter, you can put on His robe of Righteousness and God will consider you to be perfect, a keeper of the Law, fit to live with Him forever!

Sounds pretty reasonable, except for one thing...While God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, they are also three...The law was written by God the Father, not the Son...
Jesus had his own set of commandments...While God's law says 'do this' or pay a price, Jesus commandment is: I paid the price for you...'Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself' and you will have fulfilled God's commandments...

Hebrews 10:

You and likely no one else is going to like this but this is the way I see it...

26For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I don't know of anyone who sins unwillfully...I have perfected the art of sinning and it has never been against my will...The way I take this verse is that if we reject Jesus, there is nothing else that can atone for our sins...

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Adversary...I am not an adversary...Even when I sin willfully, I am not an adversary of Jesus...Paul the apostle in Romans 7 sinned willfully and he was not counted an adversary of Jesus...

28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

I don't believe there's ever been an actual born again Christian ever to change his mind to unbelief...

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So I don't believe this is a warning to a Christian who willingly sins after being saved...It is a warning to those who have heard the Gospel but reject it...

We will all be judged by God’s eternal 10 commandment law and there’s not on person on this earth right now that can get away from that.

I'm going to get away from that...

I will accompany Jesus at the end of the Tribulation when he comes to dish out his wrath on the inhabitants of the earth...I am a member of the bride of Jesus Christ...I have died, been buried and resurrected in Him...I am in Him and He is in me...I have been judged already and found to be just...I will be part of the First Resurrection...I will not be judged again...In fact, I will help the Lord mete out his judgement...

Romans 2:
12All who sin apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who sin under the Law will be judged by the Law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.…

You don’t have to be perfect, but you do have to be sincere and do your very best.

Well that's quite a contradiction...You're going from you MUST be obedient to you have to try to be obedient as much as you can...

And then you (again) post a verse from Romans 2 (and again) neglect a verse in Romans 3 dealing with the same subject...

Rom 3:21  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 

But now??? Something changed...

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 

But now, we are not judged by the law...The folks at the White Throne Judgment will be judged by the law but Paul tells us the church will NOT be judged by the law...

When your name comes up and you are judged worthy

Here is the judgment for the Christian in the church age...

1Co 3:12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 
1Co 3:13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is

Now that's pretty simple and straightforward...

1Co 3:14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 

The wood, hay and stubble will be burned up...It won't survive to be written in your history...And we will be saved since our bad works are burned and we are saved by the fire that burned them...Do you see any kind of condemnation at this judgement??? No you don't...

You keep accusing me of being a legalist and keeping the law IN ORDER TO BE SAVED AND KEEP THAT SALVATION.
I am saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ, JUST LIKE YOU ARE. Right?
Because of what Jesus Christ did for me on the Cross, I pledge my life to him and I will OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. I will do His will. Those who don’t he calls LIARS.

I don't think so...The ones he call liars are the ones who say they don't commit sin, while at the same time Jesus says they do not commit sin...

I am not under the CONDEMNATION of the law because I have an advocate in Christ Jesus. I am covered by the blood of the covenant, HIS BLOOD. (atonement). But then again, there’s this....

But yet you're going to be judged at the White Throne Judgment for all the bad things you've done, according to the law...

For me, it's people like you who make the case for Dispensationalism...

Eph_3:2  If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Col_1:25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

911 posted on 08/03/2020 10:41:17 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Sounds pretty reasonable, except for one thing...While God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, they are also three...The law was written by God the Father, not the Son...


Says who?

First: in John 10:30 Jesus says “I and my Father are one.”

Second: everything created on this earth was created by Jesus Christ:

Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Third: If Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, then He is the author of the 10 commandment law. He was also the one on Mount Sinai with Moses and He was the one to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. And, every time God manifested Himself in the form of a man, etc.... It was Jesus Christ. Do you know how I know?

John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

And, John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.

And how about this one:
1 Timothy 6:16
He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.


912 posted on 08/03/2020 11:54:41 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Iscool

Sin wilfully. That is, continue to sin willfully, as the form of the Greek verb indicates.
As the context makes evident (see v. 29), reference here is not to single acts of sin
committed in the full knowledge of their heinous character, but to the attitude of mind
that prevails when a person deliberately renounces Christ, refuses salvation, and rejects
the Holy Spirit. This is deliberate, persistent, defiant sin. It is a considered reversal of the
former decision to accept salvation in Christ and to yield one’s heart and life to Him. It is
premeditated apostasy, and leads to the unpardonable sin (see on Matt. 12:31,32). It is a
continuing state of revolt against God.

SDA Bible Commentary Hebrews 10:26


913 posted on 08/03/2020 12:05:53 PM PDT by Philsworld
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