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.....”Persecution, martyrdom, trials and times of testing have been the experiences of Christians from the very start but it came from the world against them - it was aimed at God. ....The Tribulation will be from Almighty God - aimed at the world, and it seems highly unlikely He would be including the Body of Christ, His bride in the bunch getting hammered.”.....

Those distinctions have much weight....and it appears likely those terrible events will be in part what turn people to God for their salvation at that time....so what purpose would it serve for people who are Christians now to even face or endure that time? The Lord has made it quite clear it’s Christian Jews and his two witnesses who will be doing the work then...and their gatherings together will be forced undergound.

The time is called 'the Tribulation'. A Tribulum was used to crush the grain from the husks. Since those who have God's Life abiding in their spirit, they are already freed grain. The Tribulum is not need to reveal their grain. Yje harvests of Israel are quite revealing regarding events of the end times.

Barley can be freed from the husks by just waving the sheafs in the air, but wheat is a tougher act which requires crushing the grain from the husks. The Barley harvest came before the wheat harvest.

It appears to this old man that after many run-ins with preterists and post trib folks, they do not believe 1 John 3:9, that it is GOD abiding in the spirit of the born again, and if His Life is in you that part of you is not sinning and cannot sin for His Life abides therein. There is zero reason to drag such a spirit through the crushing and every reason to believe He is coming for THAT to which He will give a new body and behavior mechanism as He takes HIS out from the wrath to come.

Folks read the Revelation and see a white horse traveler coming with a bow in his hand with no arrows and don't know what to make of this arrival of the first horse when perhaps billions will die in his arrival. That many deaths accompanying his arrival sounds like the beginning of tribulation to me. Deny the pre-trib Rapturing away of the Body of Christ results in these waiting for the revealing of the antichrist not waiting for the coming to be gathered up and taken to the Father's House where the Bema Seat of Christ will happen while tribulation is growing worse upon the Earth.