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To: BereanBrain

“Please provide chapter and verse for no Christians will endure life on earth when god pours out his wrath, and what/where in the timeline you consider the wrath occurring - during the great tribulation?”

God did not appoint believers to experience His wrath, and it is specifically Christ’s return that spares us from God’s wrath:

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 (NKJV)
For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-11 (NKJV)
For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

As the above passage indicates, God’s wrath is poured out in the Day of the Lord, a time that begins with the return of Christ. For believers, the Day of the Christ (the Lord) is a day of salvation, but for the world it is a day of wrath.

2 Thessalonians 1:6-2:4 (NKJV)
It is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

From this passage we ascertain that Christ’s return marks the onset of the Day of the Lord time period; and with it the outpouring of fiery destruction upon the inhabitants of earth for their persecution of believers. This is NOT the mark of the beginning of Daniel’s seventieth week or the Great Tribulation.

The beginning of Daniel’s seventieth week is marked by the enacting of a seven-year peace treaty to protect Israel. The beginning of the Great Tribulation is marked by the breaking of this treaty exactly half way through when antichrist is revealed by his act of desecrating the third temple, as described in the passage above, also.

Note that this event must take place BEFORE the Day of Christ, which means it will take place BEFORE Christ’s return.

There is another significant demarkation between these time periods. There will be signs in the Heavens, particularly the darkening of the sun, moon, and stars, that simultaneously marks the end of the Great Tribulation and the imminence of the arrival of the Day of the Lord. It occurs AFTER the Great Tribulation but BEFORE the Day of the Lord:

Joel 2:31 (NKJV)
The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

Matthew 24:29 (NKJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

A careful examination of the above passage reveals that these signs in the Heavens come AFTER the abomination of desolation (v. 15) and BEFORE the return of Christ (v. 30).


42 posted on 05/08/2020 6:16:16 PM PDT by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: unlearner

Don’t count on being “gone” (raptured) before trouble sets in.


47 posted on 05/08/2020 6:25:53 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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