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To: Philsworld
When I got to the following I stopped reading. This is just not truth and it is not in The Bible. perhaps the author does not believe in the Rapture but that IS in the Bible, the event.
... we as believers, when we die, we don't go to sleep, the moment a person takes their last breath and they die, ... the angels of God come to take you home, and they take you to be with the Lord. This body remains here, goes back into the earth, but the spirit, the spirit that's in us, immediately is in the presence of God in heaven, and what does God do? Immediately He gives you a new body - a new body - all things become new. - Raul Ries.

That statement is a deception. Our spirit is with the Lord if we die IN CHRIST, but it is at the departure of The Body of Christ that we get a new body and new behavior mechanism:

The action at the rapture of The Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, ALL born agains since Pentecost ... 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Now the event described by Paul ... 1 Thessalonians 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


329 posted on 05/14/2020 1:56:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

“When I got to the following I stopped reading. This is just not truth and it is not in The Bible. perhaps the author does not believe in the Rapture but that IS in the Bible, the event.”

What you should have done was CAREFULLY read the first part of the article. The author is saying that the following people (including Raul Ries) ARE STILL TEACHING THE SERPENT’S LIE that “ye shall not surely die” I’m glad you recognize that it isn’t the truth. I ALREADY KNOW THAT. And, if you read the rest of the article you’ll learn a lot more. All that stuff you wrote and you are the one who didn’t correctly read the text of the article.

The article starts near the top of the page, here:

Is this what the Bible teaches? Do people have an immortal spirit that continues conscious life immediately after clinical death? While that is sincerely believed by the vast majority of Christians, it is a lie that was first told by Satan in the garden of Eden:

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The Serpent’s lie is still taught today from church pulpits:

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235 — Catechism of the Catholic Church

On his October 7th, 2003 Breakthrough program, Pastor Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church, Columbus Ohio, made the following assertion:

Everybody, in this room, is going to live forever! No, no, I got to go real slow with you. Everybody, in this room, is going to live forever! I guess I better help you with one more word tagged on to that sentence. Everybody, in this room, is going to live forever, somewhere! - Rod Parsley.
The late D. James Kennedy, at the end of his Truths That Transform sermon dated April 4th, 2003, titled Why I Believe In Hell said:

Yes, dear friend, the truth of the scripture is that the anger and wrath of God will one day fall upon your sins. The only question is, will it fall upon you, in hell, forever, or will it fall upon Jesus Christ, upon the cross. That choice is yours to make. You WILL live forever, somewhere! - D. James Kennedy

On the June 28th, 2000, This is your day program, Benny Hinn said the following:

The important thing is - eternity. Now remember, like I said last night, nobody here is going to die. Our bodies will, of course. This flesh will go back to dust. But the real you, the real person, will never die. The real you, the real spirit, will never die, its gonna live forever. The question is where. Where will this real you live? Will the real you live with God in heaven and glory, or will the real you live with the enemy and his angels and his demons? That’s your choice, you see, you make that choice in life. - Benny Hinn
And here is Pastor Raul Ries, Calvary Chapel Golden Springs, Diamond Bar, California, from the program broadcast on Thursday, November 2nd, 2000, “The Rich Man And Lazarus”, Tape TS-871.

Do people live beyond the grave, for all eternity? Yes! One of the things that we must understand, is that, everybody not only is going to die, but everybody is going to live forever, whether you go to heaven, or whether you go to hell. - Raul Ries
In his sermon broadcast Friday, August 27, 2010, on Hebrews 11:30-40, Raul Ries said:

... we as believers, when we die, we don’t go to sleep, the moment a person takes their last breath and they die, ... the angels of God come to take you home, and they take you to be with the Lord. This body remains here, goes back into the earth, but the spirit, the spirit that’s in us, immediately is in the presence of God in heaven, and what does God do? Immediately He gives you a new body - a new body - all things become new. - RAUL RIES.

Also on past television programs broadcast from the South Bend Indiana based LeSEA (Lester Sumrall Evangelistic Association) ministries, Steve Sumrall and Delron Shirley also made the astounding statement that no one ever really dies, that everyone lives forever, the righteous in heaven and the wicked in hell. The late Lester Sumrall even taught this himself; that every human being was given immortality by God, and will never die. (Lester Sumrall was an ordained Assemblies of God minister.)

*******here’s where you stopped reading******

Actually, this is a belief that is widely accepted by most of the Christian community, but does the Bible teach eternal life (immortality) for everyone, wicked and righteous alike? What does the Bible really teach about death?

here it is again MHGinTN
http://aloha.net/~mikesch/death.htm


374 posted on 05/15/2020 5:15:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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