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To: daniel1212

Please don’t take offense to this, but I’ve argued every single point and verse you brought up in that post - a lot.

There are several sources on both sides of this issue that really get into the weeds. I’ve read them, I’ve read the bible, I’ve read much of the historical context of the bible, and I’ve come to the conclusion to which I’ve come based on that.

I now see the hell issue as Adiaphora. That is, Christians can disagree on it and it has no bearing on our salvation. Paul said to live your life according to what you believe. Do you believe Saturday is the sabbath, then treat it as such. Otherwise, don’t bother. Do you think drinking is bad? Don’t do it. Otherwise you are free to do it.

It’s all audiaphora stuff: https://www.google.com/search?q=adiaphora

I look at it this way. If I form an opinion on a biblical concept, and it turns out I was wrong, if I get to the gates and I am told that because of my wrong opinion, I will not see eternal life, then it is NOT an audiaphora issue. Otherwise it is.


170 posted on 03/10/2020 6:26:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: cuban leaf
I now see the hell issue as Adiaphora. That is, Christians can disagree on it and it has no bearing on our salvation. Paul said to live your life according to what you believe. Do you believe Saturday is the sabbath, then treat it as such. Otherwise, don’t bother. Do you think drinking is bad? Don’t do it. Otherwise you are free to do it.

You impugn your own argument with this recourse, since freedom in areas of personal liberty is not the same as doctrine.

And when Christ warns of everlasting punishment in the same lake of fire that the devil will forever be tormented in forever, (Mt. 25:41,46; Rv. 20:10) of flaming fire taking vengeance on Christ-rejectors, of everlasting destruction, (2 Thessalonians 1:8," and of "weeping," "wailing" and "gnashing of teeth,"(Mt. 8:12; 13:42,50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30) of "unquenchable fire," that is so real that one should ruthlessly cut out of their life whatever actually leads us to sin, (Mark 9:43-48) then we are not dealing with freedom to eat pork, but a basic doctrine of dire consequences for forfeiting one's day of grace.

171 posted on 03/10/2020 7:52:52 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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