Decree! Archbishop Lwanga Bans Holy Communion by Hand, Mass Outside Church in Kampala Archdiocese [Uganda]

PML Daily ^ | 2/2/20 | George Okello

[Elsie]

You weren’t here when I posted from the Catechism that Christians who are not Catholic share a faith with us even though our unity is incomplete.

Not in THIS thread.

What CCC number is it again?

[Elsie]

Why does Catholicism feel a NEED to 'preserve' the body of a 'saint'?

Jesus said, "Let the dead bury the dead."

[daniel1212]

The fact that you quote that her body was found incorrupt after 60 years doesn’t amaze you?

No, because the term can mean no no apparent corruption, while as what I quoted states,

According to Church doctrine, incorruptibility alone can’t be counted as a miracle anymore. More sophisticated scientific explanations as well as mistakes found in hundreds of years of preservation records have forced the Church to reconsider which saints deserved the title in the first place....

small differences in temperature, moisture, and construction techniques lead to some tombs producing naturally preserved bodies while others in the same church didn’t....

Once the incorrupt bodies were removed from these climates or if the climates changed, they deteriorated. This may have been what happened to St. Francesca Romana who was deemed incorrupt four months after her death in 1440 only to be found fully skeletonized in 1698 (though you still hear people refer to her as incorrupt)... https://psmag.com/environment/incorruptible-bodies-saints-religion-catholicism-pope-john-paul-94892

Plus such accounts have their counterpart in false religions, as cited: [Buddhist] Monk's Body Miraculously Intact 80 Years After Death

And the devil can do some miracles, and will do so, (2 Thessalonians 2:9) and believers are to "believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.' (1 John 4:1)

Which testing is done in the light of Scripture, which even the veracity of the apostles was tested by. (Acts 17:11) Which manifests that the Mary of Catholicism is not that the holy, pious virtuous Spirit-filled Mary of Scripture, but a diversion of devotion and faith, dressed in Christian clothing.

However, in addition to the above, the big problem for your faith is that while the only appearance of the incarnated Christ on earth was in human form, and the only physical body He had suffered no corruption, yet not only does your Eucharistic christ appear in an inanimate form that (as in Gnosticism) does not correspond to what He materially was, but it suffers corruption.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

RichardMoore,
The sad fact is that All people sin, every one of us. No church is perfect, mine or yours. I think it is evident that even you can see evil in the RCC when your Pope makes heretical statements. We know he is not speaking for all Catholics because we see many of you disagreeing with him. There is a lot of good being done by RC’s but it is individuals doing those good things, not the hierarchy of the church. I try to see people through the eyes of Christ, try to look at them as Christ would. He sees us all as His children and loves us unconditionally. Even so, we each have control of our eternal destiny by the choice we make whether or not to put our faith in Christ. We are not saved by membership in a man-made church. Our faith and thus our salvation does not depend on a church, our faith and salvation is in Christ. I attend a church (a conservative Bible based PCA church) where I can learn more about the scripture and fellowship with other believers. But my faith is rooted in Christ Alone. Jesus calls ALL who put their faith in Him His “Church”. There will be Protestants and Roman Catholics in His Church gathering around Him at the throne of God, but there will be many of both denominations who will not be there. I will pray, my FRiend, that you find a personal relationship with Christ, that the actions of no earthly church can shake.

[RichardMoore]

#838

[RichardMoore]

Thank you, I too hope that all here will have a happy death. By that I mean that they will find life in Jesus.
My personal relationship with Jesus is based on my belief in the sacraments. I was born into the Protestant faith and became Catholic because of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. And I believe that only the Catholic Church can claim that Apostolic commission. So I am saved by Jesus through His Body and Blood. I hold out that hope for all who believe in Jesus, including my parents and most of my relatives who are not Catholic. CCC #838

[Elsie]

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."³²² Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."³²³ With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."³²⁴

The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."³²⁵

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,³²⁶ "the first to hear the Word of God."³²⁷ The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",³²⁸ "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."³²⁹

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."³³⁰<

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Now all we need to do is to find out the definitions of all of the weasel words.

[Elsie]

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."³²² Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."³²³ With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."³²⁴

Do you Catholics know that your first pope FAILED to baptize 'properly'?

[RichardMoore]

You were there?

[Elsie]

"You were there?", he asked; incredulously.

 

Better than THAT!

 

I've read the Book that Rome gave to the world.  You should try it some time.

 

 

Acts 2:38-41
 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
Those who accepted his message were baptized , and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

 

 

Acts 10:45-48

The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.

For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”  

So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

[Elsie]

Ya know; your first pope used to have the same mindset as you've shown with your tagline...   

 

(Without the protection of life all other right are void, dump TV and follow a plant based diet)

 

 

 

 

Acts 10:1-16   (KJV)

 1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

² A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

³ He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

⁴ And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

⁵ And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

⁶ He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

⁷ And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;

⁸ And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

⁹ On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

¹⁰ And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

¹¹ And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

¹² Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

¹³ And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

¹⁴ But Petersaid, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

¹⁵ And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

¹⁶ This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

[RichardMoore]

You are confusing the Jewish prohibitions against certain foods with medical advice.

Peter ate fish and lamb and other meats but as a Jewish person he was forbidden to eat certain meats like pork.

I don’t eat meat for health reasons

Forkesoverknives.com

[RichardMoore]

Your mistake is that you believe in the infallabilty of language. Peter wrote that but you don’t know that he was limited to only doing that for the rest of his life.or if that’s exactly what he did. Like all humans he made mistakes and his were documented. That’s why I asked if you were there.

[Elsie]

Peter wrote that but you don’t know that he was limited to only doing that for the rest of his life.or if that’s exactly what he did.

Thanks for clearing this up; Satan.

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Genesis 3

Did GOD reallysay...?

[Elsie]

Peter wrote that but you don’t know that he was limited to only doing that for the rest of his life.or if that’s exactly what he did.

Luke 1:1-4

1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

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PSST!

This same fella wrote ACTS; too.

[RichardMoore]

So what’s your point?

[RichardMoore]

What is a valid baptism in your estimation?

[Elsie]

What is a valid baptism in your estimation?

Who cares?

What does the RCC consider a VALID one?

[RichardMoore]

You don’t believe that Jesus commanded the Apostles to “Bapitize them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?”

I thought you were a Bible believer.

[Elsie]

The mystagogy of the celebration

1234 The meaning and grace of the sacrament of Baptism are clearly seen in the rites of its celebration. By following the gestures and words of this celebration with attentive participation, the faithful are initiated into the riches this sacrament signifies and actually brings about in each newly baptized person.

1235 The sign of the cross, on the threshold of the celebration, marks with the imprint of Christ the one who is going to belong to him and signifies the grace of the redemption Christ won for us by his cross.

1236 The proclamation of the Word of God enlightens the candidates and the assembly with the revealed truth and elicits the response of faith, which is inseparable from Baptism. Indeed Baptism is "the sacrament of faith" in a particular way, since it is the sacramental entry into the life of faith.

1237 Since Baptism signifies liberation from sin and from its instigator the devil, one or more exorcisms are pronounced over the candidate. The celebrant then anoints him with the oil of catechumens, or lays his hands on him, and he explicitly renounces Satan. Thus prepared, he is able to confess the faith of the Church, to which he will be "entrusted" by Baptism.³⁹

1238 The baptismal water is consecrated by a prayer of epiclesis (either at this moment or at the Easter Vigil). The Church asks God that through his Son the power of the Holy Spirit may be sent upon the water, so that those who will be baptized in it may be "born of water and the Spirit."⁴⁰

1239 The essential rite of the sacrament follows: Baptism properly speaking. It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life of the Most Holy Trinity through configuration to the Paschal mystery of Christ. Baptism is performed in the most expressive way by triple immersion in the baptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate's head.

1240 In the Latin Church this triple infusion is accompanied by the minister's words: "N., I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In the Eastern liturgies the catechumen turns toward the East and the priest says: "The servant of God, N., is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." At the invocation of each person of the Most Holy Trinity, the priest immerses the candidate in the water and raises him up again.

1241 The anointing with sacred chrism, perfumed oil consecrated by the bishop, signifies the gift of the Holy Spirit to the newly baptized, who has become a Christian, that is, one "anointed" by the Holy Spirit, incorporated into Christ who is anointed priest, prophet, and king.⁴¹

1242 In the liturgy of the Eastern Churches, the post-baptismal anointing is the sacrament of Chrismation (Confirmation). In the Roman liturgy the post- baptismal anointing announces a second anointing with sacred chrism to be conferred later by the bishop Confirmation, which will as it were "confirm" and complete the baptismal anointing.

1243 The white garment symbolizes that the person baptized has "put on Christ,"⁴² has risen with Christ. The candle, lit from the Easter candle, signifies that Christ has enlightened the neophyte. In him the baptized are "the light of the world."⁴³

The newly baptized is now, in the only Son, a child of God entitled to say the prayer of the children of God: "Our Father."