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To: Faith Presses On

You wrote: “What God-given satisfaction and enjoyment do you believe you get out of your beliefs on the Lord’s Supper? Include whatever you believe faithful Protestants don’t get.

It always amazes me how much we are surrounded by and immersed today into subjectivism and relativism!!! “Satisfaction and enjoyment”!!! I am seeking the objective truth from God, not my own “satisfaction and enjoyment”, the truth that God has revealed throughout the history of mankind that we call Divine Revelation. The truth of God, not of man, will set us free (Jn 8:32)! Certainly we humans, in our subjectivism and relativism can wrongly interpret Divine Revelation, which is clearly seen by the very numerous contradictory interpretations from one independent protestant group to the next. This is why Christ founded one divinely guided Church.
The truth is not based on human intelligence, as St. Paul many times explained. At this point, if we do not accept the one Church that Christ founded, the discussion ends up only on human intelligence, and thus I do not think we need to waste each other’s time. Let us pray for each other that we correspond with all the graces God gives to each of us.
“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary; to one without faith, no explanation is possible” – St. Thomas Aquinas.


64 posted on 02/01/2020 4:12:40 AM PST by JosephJames (The Truth Shall Set You Free (Jn 8:32)!)
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To: Faith Presses On; JosephJames

Ask this false prophet about his belief on Nibiru.


67 posted on 02/01/2020 5:26:04 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: JosephJames
You wrote: “What God-given satisfaction and enjoyment do you believe you get out of your beliefs on the Lord’s Supper? Include whatever you believe faithful Protestants don’t get. ”

It always amazes me how much we are surrounded by and immersed today into subjectivism and relativism!!! “Satisfaction and enjoyment”!!! I am seeking the objective truth from God, not my own “satisfaction and enjoyment”, the truth that God has revealed throughout the history of mankind that we call Divine Revelation. The truth of God, not of man, will set us free (Jn 8:32)!


I almost talked about this possible objection the other day when I posted my same original comment in another thread, but I thought the post was already long enough. I know it's an understandable objection, given how much verbal pushback is given these days against what's seen as many Christians in wealthy countries just wanting to be entertained and have their ears tickled. I see things that way, too, but also that the pushback is usually just verbal, while also thinking the criticism itself is at times misguided or insincere.

Anyway, while I can understand how what I wrote could cause that type of reaction, it's truly not one supported by the Bible. While the world can't bring true satisfaction and joy, God can and does. It doesn't mean that it also doesn't come with pain and suffering, but if one meets it with faith and trusting in and praising God, then one's true satisfaction and joy will be increased.

I think I can demonstrate very quickly and easily that you believe along these lines, too, given you seem to have entitled your web page about yourself, "A Life's Adventure." You were talking about a life of faith in God and not a life of mountain climbing and extreme sports, correct?

"Oh taste and see that the Lord is good." Truth is certainly an essential part of knowing Him, and it's part of what brings joy and satisfaction in our relationship with Him. Through His Word, He reveals so much truth to us, and only God Himself could have written it. And He does so in such satisfying ways that bring such joy.

I majored in English at a public university and also searched around even after becoming a Christian, one who happened to live in a very secularized, heavily Catholic-background region in the Northeast, for truth, joy and satisfaction in places like philosophy, psychology and other religions, as well as art and godless fiction and poetry, but reading the whole Bible for the first time in my 30s put an end to all my searching for me. Until then I'd never realized what I was searching for or that I truly even was. I'd read the four Gospels thousands of times by then, but it was coming across the comments online by other Christians about "the fruit of the Spirit" and "putting on the whole armor of God" that made me decide that I just had to read the whole Bible once I sank in that they were quoting verses from it. I thought those verses were just amazing spiritually. Then as I read the Bible, and as I've kept re-reading it and meditating on it and studying it over years, I've been continually more and more amazed, finding joy and satisfaction in it, as this is some of God's spiritual food for us, as well as partly how He communes with us.

I could hardly ever even begin to name all of the amazing passages in the Bible, including that on top of it all, we even have stories about Jesus' life, death and resurrection, and how the church began, as well as some of His own words. Think of, too, what man couldn't have invented but God revealed just in the Creation account in Genesis, and the story of Noah, even that his name means "rest," then the story of Abraham and Isaac, and God choosing the Jews and taking them into and out of slavery and into the Promised Land. Think of David's story and also Psalms and Proverbs. Just Psalm 23 is amazing, but how much else does God reveal in Psalms alone? And it does so in such spiritually satisfying ways. How about this, just five verses?

1 {A Psalm of praise.} Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.

2 Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.

3 Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

5 For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.


While I'm experiencing life in this world, words like these are what bring me true enjoyment and spiritual satisfaction like nothing else ever can.

Then there's the concluding verses in Isaiah 40 about waiting on the Lord. And all the Old Testament verses and prophecies pointing to Christ. The letters of the apostles, including the early church history in Acts. And the book of Revelation.

I think this all is part of what brings joy and satisfaction in our relationship with God, and it is given by Him.
71 posted on 02/01/2020 12:48:19 PM PST by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: JosephJames
The truth is not based on human intelligence, as St. Paul many times explained. At this point, if we do not accept the one Church that Christ founded, the discussion ends up only on human intelligence, and thus I do not think we need to waste each other’s time. Let us pray for each other that we correspond with all the graces God gives to each of us. “To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary; to one without faith, no explanation is possible” – St. Thomas Aquinas.

In the Bible, there are instructions given on who are to be the church's leaders, and as you know, marriage was permissible to them. So the present Roman Catholic Church isn't that church. Has the RCC been right for hundreds of years, or is the Bible right on leadership? And when was the Rosary written, and the doctrine on Mary's Immaculate Conception formally adopted as dogma?

I believe the church is made up of true believers, and only God knows for sure who they are. But the Bible teaches that is the church's sure foundation: God knows those who are His, and everyone who names the Lord should depart from evil. God will bring His children, those He's drawn who seek the truth, along the path He has for them, according to HIS will, and I believe that will be through imperfect churches. Our perfection is in Him. He's the one doing the work in us, and we're promised that He'll finish it.
72 posted on 02/01/2020 12:57:42 PM PST by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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