Catholicism made me Protestant

First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

[MHGinTN]

LOL ... Luther lives in your mind rent free! Projection is not a movie theater app. Typical Catholic approach, when the heat gets to seeping truth into the Catholic mind, they leap for a reference to Luther. Nut I wonder, do your religion’s many homosexual priests do that or do they just turn aside to avoid truth?

[fortes fortuna juvat]

Oh please.
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Of course, but you’re failing to address the issue: Nobody is suggesting that these people will escape the dire consequences of their iniquity. It’s only Luther’s followers who make that heretical error!

[MHGinTN]

BTW, real Christian faith is faithing in Jesus and HIS righteousness, not the strivings on a sacramental trek fabricated by a religion empowering its priesthood for carnal delights.

[MHGinTN]

The perfection (another way of identifying the Righteousness of Christ) is IMPUTED by God to the souls who are born from above. But we wouldn’t expect a drip drip infusion works based religion to comprehend that.

[fortes fortuna juvat]

I wonder, do your religion’s many homosexual priests do that or do they just turn aside to avoid truth?
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Whether they do or not is quite beside the point, which is that they, just like unrepentant sinners everywhere, will get what they deserve when they fall into to hands of an angry God, ESPECIALLY those who run sinners who run around proudly proclaiming that their preacher told them they were saved when they answered the altar call!

[ealgeone]

Of all the many errors Roman Catholics make is the failed assumption non-Roman Catholics follow Luther.

Jesus told Nicodemus the following:

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:16-18 NASB

Did Jesus commit an error in what He told Nicodemus?

[MHGinTN]

And 'they' are as delusional as you are proving to be! If the behavior is not changing to the family character the soul is still dead. Your eye is fixed upon what you find familiar not upon the righteousness of Christ IMPUTED to the true believer, the believer who will be conromed to the image GOD desires, by HIS doing .. 'For it is GOD WHO is in you bother to will and to do of His good pleasure.'

No matter how many examples of fraudulent faith you point to, you are not changing your destiny until you humble yourself and give up to His empowerment and receive His righteousness that you can never duplicate.

[MHGinTN]

conromed? LOL Conformed into the image God desires for them as family members.

[MHGinTN]

Bacj to the important issue: Let me ask you, do you live in fear for your salvation, or do you live in joy knowing GOD has imputed the righteousness of Christ to you an undeserving sinner who could never birth himself into God’s family and certainly would be defeated by satan were it not for the Seal of God upon your once dead spirit?

You forum name notwithstanding, we're not discussing luck here, this is serious reality of a relationship not a religion.

[imardmd1]

I tend to think that He will not let any false religions exist.

Well, there's one, and it is the worst. I doubt if God permits Himsslf to prevent it by fiddling with a human's mind. It's that of Satan--self-worship.

[Iscool]

The perfection to which you refer is a matter determined by the Lord in regard to each soul, not by you my dear.

And we know what the Lord determined what that matter has to be...It is 100% perfection...Sinless...No paying for sins...No waiting out a sentence in purgatory...

the biblical truth that eternal punishment awaits ALL who FAIL to live righteous lives as commanded throughout the Holy Scriptures.

Well then, there's not a Catholic from the apostle Peter to your latest pope (or any one in between) who did or will succeed at that endeavor...So you're all lost...Why even go to Church??? That's not going to help you in hell...Why did Jesus die since no one could or can live righteous lives???

The BIG question is: What are you counting on to get to heaven???

[Iscool]

I’ve lived most of my life around such people, i.e., liars, thieves, and all manner of fornicators who waltz in and out of the honky-tonks and whorehouses and casinos and crack houses whenever they’re not busy waltzing in and out of the jails and prisons!

Sounds like you need to find Jesus...

[fortes fortuna juvat]

I wonder, do your religion’s many homosexual priests do that or do they just turn aside to avoid truth?
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Whether they do or not is quite beside the point, which is that they, just like unrepentant sinners everywhere, will get what they deserve when they fall into to hands of an angry God, ESPECIALLY those who run sinners who run around proudly proclaiming that their preacher told them they were saved when they answered the altar call!

[MHGinTN]

Have you read #609?

[fortes fortuna juvat]

The BIG question is: What are you counting on to get to heaven???
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Answered in Matt7:21.

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus is quoted as follows:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father which is in heaven is revealed throughout the Holy Scriptures. Ignore that revelation and cling to your simplistic, self-serving interpretations at your own peril!

[imardmd1]

Yes, look at what follows:

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

This does NOT mean that you get justified by doing good works.

What it DOES mean is that other humans seeing one's resultant good works shows that the person is justified, declared righteous by God the Judge, no longer under His condemnation.

You could declare that your faith is true and has saved you, which God already knows apart from any works you may do; BUT . . .

. . . fellow humans, not being omniscient, can only give your claims credence when they SEE that your behavior is consistent with having been justified as a consequence of your second birth in and by the Spirit.

Try this again, with explanatory superscripts:

James 2:24 Ye^{as humans that cannot look at a person's heart as God can} see^{by concrete evidence} then how that by ^righteousworks a man is^demonstrably justified^{(already pardoned by God forever), and not by faith which was sufficient for being Spirituaslly reborn onlybut not externally evident to the human observer apart from works proceeding from a justified existence.}

This is the syntactical and contextual sense in which this translation is to be interpreted. To think that doing works gets you justified is utterly foreign to the overall context, and is a false, incredible doctrine.

[fortes fortuna juvat]

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus is quoted as follows:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father which is in heaven is revealed throughout the Holy Scriptures. Ignore that revelation and cling to your simplistic, self-serving interpretations at your own peril!

[metmom]

Of course, but you’re failing to address the issue: Nobody is suggesting that these people will escape the dire consequences of their iniquity.

Maybe some consequences here on earth, but do you REALLY understand what Jesus came to do and what His taking our sin on Himself is all about?

Salvation is about Jesus being the substitutionary sacrifice for our sins, Him taking the punishment for our sins so that we don't have to.

[fortes fortuna juvat]

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus is quoted as follows:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father which is in heaven is revealed throughout the Holy Scriptures. Ignore that revelation and cling to your simplistic, self-serving interpretations at your own peril!

[metmom]

John 6:29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

It's not about doing things.

Even bad people can do good things.

It's about believing God.