The God has no progenitor, but He has a surrogate Mother in the sense of mothering Jesus.
. . . God placed Jesus in Mary's womb, without having sex with her and not using an ovum from her.
I totally agree with you, You have chosen good words to impart to others that which has been obvious to me, separately, not having heard it of anyone else previously.
Here's the general speculative thoughts that have occurred to me:
Knowing that Jehovah Elohim made human flesh of the atoms present in the Earth's materials (dust of the ground) has finally been discovered by the human beings He created, through. employing the intellect by employing the scientific method of deduction together with intuitive induction from existing evidence, to find that the various kinds of RNA and DNA molecules bear bear self-reproductive biological life, breathed into it by the Creator.
Realizing from God's Word that Jesus' body and blood must have been holy, sinless, and incorruptible, the material cannot any of it have come from a descendant of Adam, who was made of the first sinless batch (Genesis 1:26-27,31; 2:7), and the only one who had all the components from which Elohim made the first soul by breathing life into the DNA to make a him-with-a-Y-chromosome.
What I postulate that Elohim either kept some of the undying--by itself incorruptible--original DNA of which Adam was composed; and of it, a living part yet lacking the Y-chromoseme which constituted the human person called Eve.
Sadly, Eve sinned, and in doing so drew her complement Adam with her. And we know the rest of the story down to Eve, being made of the same sin-transmitting substance made corruptible through Adam's choice to err, forever tainting His get.
With this in mind, it is clear that there must have been a way for the God-man Messiah Emmanuel prophesied (Isaiah 7:15,9:6; Matthew 1:23) to be made of sinless DNA-cellular substance designed when enlivened to form the human male figure fit for occupation by the Spirit of God-The-Son and integrated as a carnal conjoined tripartite individual.
While this has been an absolute necessity, recognized by the early followers of Jesus, still The Father had not revealed how this was to be accomplished.
What one may assume is that the First Adam, the Federal Head of all living human critters, was especially made by the Creator in the whole, ready to begin life as the mature complex form of differentiated cellular DNA and mitochondria, unaided by the process of the oogenesis of the haploid predecessor ovum made complete by union with a spermatozoam resulting in the first diploid human cell. That is, it is proposed that Elohim utilized no ovum or sperm in the life-initiating self-propagating step of integrating spirit and flesh as one soul.
That there be no logic-begging process of the materialization of the Second Adam, it is conjectured that union of Jehovah Elohim's spirit with the same exactly identical fresh uncorrupted unsinning carnal matter as for the First, resulted in incarnation of the Messiah--without any incorporation whatsoever of the host female--and implanted as an embryo with systems-separating placenta attachment in the believing, willing surrogate host equipped with the uterus to accept the wholly-separate living organism for the maturation to a normal infant until its natural ejection from the womb through the birth canal exiting the naturally enlarged cervix and vulva, eventually separating the two intimately but nutrient/waste-exchanging life-giving blood systems from each other.
In this, when supervised by the overseeing Holy Ghost, it is not unreasonable to assume that the virgin female's hymen be preserved throughout the whole process of implementation (equally defined as conception by placement of and attachment to the host's uterus wall) of the embryo and its normal foetal development, ruptured only as the birth took place. This would have been obvious to Joseph, the only human agency assisting in the birth, for his assurance of his espoused wife's pre-birth virginity.
With today's store of human-experience-based store of reasoned and practical medical knowledge, such a scenario may be confidently proposed. It is a process quite different from the imaginative one endorsed by theologians of old, whose febrile inventive reasonings supposed that all of Jesus' flesh came from His surrogate mother's body, a not knowing then that for a man-child to exist in her womb, a requirement of at least one element that none of her cells could provide: the Y-chromosome presence in each of the infant's multiplying cells.
The same theologians whose logic failed in such efforts as "proving" how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, wrongly gave them a selfish arrogant certainty that Mary's fleshly composition must then have been essentially and thoroughly sinless, that the proposition of the Messiah's carnal essence proceeding from her would therefore also then be sinless.
But if through the artifice dogma of her immaculate conception in her mother's womb (name of mother?) was so, would that not then commensurately imply that, having a sinless bodily constitution, thus incorruptible, and its function not interrupted by crass human stoppage of the flow of life-giving blood throughout it, could she therefore logically die? Answer: No.
And of course, this brings on the logically necessary but fallacious consequence that never dying, somehow she must have been removed from the earthly sphere by a miraculous supernatural transfer to another sphere, namely God's Third Heaven, eh? Or else she would still be here and circulating around amongst other humans cursed with aging and physical death.
The Scotsman Walter Scott, who gave us the oft quoted line, "Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!" was again proven right in his observation when it is applied to the science-blind theologians of yore who came up with the schema of interwoven false doctrines touching on "Immaculate Conception" and "Mother of God" and "Assumption of Mary" and "Her Ever-virginity" and "Queen of Heaven" and "Dormition" or other such indefensible, illogical, interlocked, and non-sensical unbiblical propositions when confronted by unarguable physical facts now known, facts outside the circle of provable knowledge in the day, circa 500 AD, when the Mariolatry themes began to take root.
Personally, I feel more comfortable with the concept that the All-Mighty Omniscient Trinity Jehovah Elohim implanted Jesus' birth host mother Mary with His Completed Incarnated Being apart from any borrowing from the flesh of Adam/Eve's descendant Mary of Nazareth, however graciously favored; than I do of the human-constructed one-generation pushed-back immaculate sinless conception of the body and soul of Mary, imagined by the proud but totally naive Cathologicians.
This is not at all offered as a spiteful counter-argument, but rather one whose foundations are based upon the now-known and humanly-practiced medical arts, even at the gene-editing level, of pragmatic proven procedures.
As to how God did the construction of basic DNA capable of being enlivened and passing the gift on, my thoughts are still conjecture, not unimpeachable dogma proclaimed ex cathedra by some humanly-appointed, fallible religious leader or his cabinet of devious magisteric claims.
Can anyone prove me Scripturally or medically wrong in this matter?
Is this not a field of questions for which we will not have TRUTH answers this side of the veil?
The pompous assertions of a particular religion not withstanding, HOW embryo aged Jesus was conceived and then conceived by Mary's womb is not answerable by other than the miraculous.
Since the placental barrier separates the direct connection to the Mother's blood, there is no need for Mary to have been sinless (the life is in the blood). Therefore fabricating an entire blasphemous mythos around a false assertion is hallmark of Catholicism.
I'm not smart enough to figure this out on my own...But your post left me with a couple of questions...
Realizing from God's Word that Jesus' body and blood must have been holy, sinless, and incorruptible, the material cannot any of it have come from a descendant of Adam, who was made of the first sinless batch (Genesis 1:26-27,31; 2:7), and the only one who had all the components from which Elohim made the first soul by breathing life into the DNA to make a him-with-a-Y-chromosome.
As we know the bible says that life is in the blood...I don't know if Adam was created with any blood (I assume not) in his system but it appears to me that after Adam 'ate of the fruit' his body became dependent on blood...Bad blood...
But if through the artifice dogma of her immaculate conception in her mother's womb (name of mother?) was so, would that not then commensurately imply that, having a sinless bodily constitution, thus incorruptible, and its function not interrupted by crass human stoppage of the flow of life-giving blood throughout it, could she therefore logically die? Answer: No.
Since life is in the blood it would seem as well that sickness, disease and death are also in the blood...
You mention that if Mary had a sinless bodily constitution (Catholic fantasy) that she couldn't die...I would assume that she couldn't age either...Yet, Jesus having a sinless bodily constitution did die...
Which brings me to the question, if Jesus aged and died, how is it that his body was holy and incorruptible and as God why would he even need blood??? And, if Jesus' body was holy how could he have had the human emotions such as temptation???
If Jesus wasn't fully human why did he even need a mother???
So far, I'm convinced from scripture that God put Jesus' body in Mary's womb and was pretty convinced Jesus had a body just like mine...