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To: Al Hitan; Mom MD

Al, good ole Al. He does some research but not all of it. I appreciate that any of it is done at all.

FYI, The original text of the Smalcald Articles doesn’t have the bracketed portion in it; that bit was added only when translated into Latin at a later date and is not binding on us.


767 posted on 08/10/2019 10:35:44 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

That would e why it is never taught at any church or class I have gone to. And again the book of Concord is not scripture nor does it claim to be equal with scripture unlike the catholics who elevate their writings to be equal to (and i have been time by some better than) scripture


769 posted on 08/11/2019 12:32:35 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Luircin
Al, good ole Al. He does some research but not all of it. I appreciate that any of it is done at all.

Maybe you need to do more.

and is not binding on us.

It used to be the standard belief for LCMS. From Shepard of the Hills:

    4. The traditional Lutheran position is that Mary is “ever virgin” and even now remains as virgin (SD, section VIII, para 24, Latin text). Luther, who translated the entire Bible, held this view. All of our Lutheran fathers into the 20th century held this view. It was not until our current LC-MS’ official systematics text was published that pastors could officially believe that Mary did not remain a virgin.

      If the Christology of a theologian is orthodox in all other respects, he is not to be regarded as a heretic for holding that Mary bore other children in a natural manner after she had given birth to the Son of God. [Franz Pieper, Christian Dogmatics (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1951), 2: 308]

    Notice that Francis Pieper, LC-MS President from 1899-1911, shows the normal, default position for Lutherans: They believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. Not believing it to be true is the exception, which is allowed “if the Christology of a theologian is orthodox in all other respects.” Denying the perpetual virginity of Mary is a recent innovation and a historical aberration within the Church.

Did you get that? "Denying the perpetual virginity of Mary is a recent innovation and a historical aberration within the Church[LCMS]".

I wonder if Lutherans used to believe in the perpetual virginity because "sex is evil", which is the claim made by some about Catholics.

Oh well. At least LCMS stayed with the "Mother of God" phraseology. But I suppose that could also be eliminated soon with the fluidity of their belief.

775 posted on 08/11/2019 4:50:44 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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