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[25] And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

[25] "Till she brought forth her firstborn son": From these words Helvidius and other heretics most impiously inferred that the blessed Virgin Mary had other children besides Christ; but St. Jerome shews, by divers examples, that this expression of the Evangelist was a manner of speaking usual among the Hebrews, to denote by the word until, only what is done, without any regard to the future. Thus it is said, Genesis 8. 6 and 7, that Noe sent forth a raven, which went forth, and did not return till the waters were dried up on the earth. That is, did not return any more. Also Isaias 46. 4, God says: I am till you grow old. Who dare infer that God should then cease to be: Also in the first book of Machabees 5. 54, And they went up to mount Sion with joy and gladness, and offered holocausts, because not one of them was slain till they had returned in peace. That is, not one was slain before or after they had returned. God saith to his divine Son: Sit on my right hand till I make thy enemies thy footstool. Shall he sit no longer after his enemies are subdued? Yea and for all eternity. St. Jerome also proves by Scripture examples, that an only begotten son, was also called firstborn, or first begotten: because according to the law, the firstborn males were to be consecrated to God; Sanctify unto me, saith the Lord, every firstborn that openeth the womb among the children of Israel, etc. Ex. 13. 2.

612 posted on 08/09/2019 8:34:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
St. Jerome shews, by divers examples, that this expression of the Evangelist was a manner of speaking usual among the Hebrews, to denote by the word until, only what is done, without any regard to the future.
Thus it is said, Genesis 8. 6 and 7, that Noe sent forth a raven, which went forth, and did not return till the waters were dried up on the earth. That is, did not return any more.

So this is what some Catholic commentator stated about the issue...Whether it was Jerome or not, I don't know...

[7] "Did not return": The raven did not return into the ark; but (as it may be gathered from the Hebrew) went to and fro; sometimes going to the mountains, where it found carcasses to feed on: and other times returning, to rest upon the top of the ark.

Hogwash...And I'll show you why...This is the actual scripture;

Gen 8:7  And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth. 

There is absolutely no suggestion that the raven landed anywhere...The fact that Noah knew the bird was flying back and forth, no doubt to all points on the compass lets us know the bird only landed on the ark until the waters were dried up...AND,

Gen 8:8  Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground; 
Gen 8:9  But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth:

Little odd that the raven could find land but the dove couldn't eh???

Also Isaias 46. 4, God says: I am till you grow old. Who dare infer that God should then cease to be:

Sheesh...You don't even read your own Douay Catholic scripture...Here it is...

[4] Even to your old age I am the same, and to your grey hairs I will carry you: I have made you, and I will bear: I will carry and will save.

It doesn't even have til or until in it...Where are you getting your junk from???

Here's the actual scripture...

Isa 46:3  Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 
Isa 46:4  And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
 

God saith to his divine Son: Sit on my right hand till I make thy enemies thy footstool. Shall he sit no longer after his enemies are subdued?

That's exactly right...And when Jesus stand up, people better start worrying...

641 posted on 08/10/2019 1:06:04 AM PDT by Iscool
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