Posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
Marty was a die hard Catholic, with all its baggage...Some bad habits are hard to break...He never left the Church...The Church left him...
So, you're saying the Lutheran Confession is in error and shouldn't be referenced? And you agree that the reason Martin Luther believed in the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God was: "Because sex is EEEEEEEEEVIL"?
did I say any such thing? As a life long Lutheran I never heard about the perpetual virginity of Mary until I started talking to catholics. It is not in the catechism and not part of formal Lutheran doctrine. It is not the Lutheran position that sex outside of marriage is eeevil. If you truly want to know more about Lutheran doctrine you can start with the Augsburg confession .
Good point.
Nice diversion. As you can see if you read the posts, the discussion was not about sex outside of marriage.
If you truly want to know more about Lutheran doctrine you can start with the Augsburg confession .
Thanks. The next time a Lutheran refers us to the Book of Concord, as has happened on FR multiple times, I'll tell them the same and that the Book of Concord is erroneous, as you've pointed out.
The book of Concord was not written by Luther but contains the doctrine of the Lutheran Church. It is not scripture and therefore is not inerrant. Only catholics raise their writings to the level of scripture the rest of us do not. But if you want to know Lutheran doctrine I suggest you start with Luther’s small catechism and the Augsburg confession for basics the. move on to the book of concord if you are still interested. However since you just want to play gotcha it hardly seems to be worth the effort on your part
I know. Sex outside of marriage is sin and therefore evil. Sex inside marriage is a beautiful gift from God. I was pointing out the difference. According to scripture Mary would have been wrong to deny Joseph sex once Christ was born.
Because he had grown up being indoctrinated by Rome.
God does not correct all ones errors immediately on salvation.
There's growth in the Christian life and learning more about God and the Truth as one spends time in His Word.
As a believer does that, the Holly Spirit will reveal to the believer what HE knows the believer needs to know and deal with in HIS time.
Growth in the Christian walk is a very individual thing and God does not cram us all into a box and make cookie cutter Christians.
The last words Jesus spoke directly to Mary in the Scripture were
“Woman”(not THEOTOKOS) “what is this to you and what to me?”
Not quite so.
John 19:26-27 when Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
we can see very plain that Jesus was her only child.
She doesn’t have sin. She seeks a savior because of her humility....................
True.
Why is that an issue.
The Catholic church had ex-communicated him.
Why would those vows mean anything at that point?
I don't see that anyone needs to be held to vows they make to someone who has sent him packing.
No, the passage at Calvary shows that His brothers and sisters had turned away from Him as He drew the ire of the Sanhedrin. James IS THE brother of Jesus. Is James older or younger than Jesus? When you finish reading the entire Bible, perhaps you will have a different take on this issue.
Please stop feeding the troll
It is not the Lutheran position that sex outside of marriage is eeevil.
You do understand that these two statements of yours, from separate posts, don't agree?
The book of Concord was not written by Luther but contains the doctrine of the Lutheran Church. It is not scripture and therefore is not inerrant.
It is good to know that Lutherans agree your doctrine is in error.
I misposted thank you for correcting my error. it is not the Lutheran position that sex inside marriage is evil
As to your other point as a lifelong Lutheran I have never been taught the perpetual virginity of Mary. It is simply not taught. Every church I have been a member of has acknowledged that Christ has bothers and sisters
There may be errors in Luther’s theology but far less than in catholic theology. Before you break you arm patting yourself on the back Paul said we all see through a glass darkly. Luther got the biggest one right and God used him to reform the church that was in grievous error. Salvation is by grace through faith alone period. No works can add one iota. The solas of the Lutheran reformation stand as a ringing clarion call across the ages to return to Biblical Truth away from the error and heresy of the Roman Church.
Don’t take the Mark when it is commanded to you, regardless of what signs and lying wonders are accompanying the command.
And time has told. I see we have our answer
I cannot disagree.
As fun as it would be to see how long it’d take you to break down into profanity like the other Roman on the thread, I have better things to do than to play your little gotcha games.
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