Posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
Something not being in Scripture does not give anyone license to make things up and claim they are true.
Your list of names proves nothing. It just mentions four women who were at the cross when Jesus died.
Ah, as usual. The old.
*It doesn’t mean what it says, it means what we say it means.*
The commandment is *Thou shall not MURDER*.
Intentional killing . God made provision for protection for accidental death, which is not the same thing at all.
I looked. It’s not there.
Obviously you have nothing and are unwilling to acknowledge it.
So you're saying that the second person of the trinity is not eternal but came into existance when Mary gave him birth?
Ah, speculation.......
What a great thing to base *truth* on.
So some churches were taught the tradition by word where other churches were taught the tradition by the written epistles...Ought to be clear that the tradition taught was the same whether spoken or written...They certainly couldn't be teaching different things to the various churches...
It appears your Church reads that verse by changing the position of the comma:
(Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess. 3:6) From here
(Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught by word, or by our epistle.2 Thess. 3:6) To here
traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.
traditions you were taught by word, or by our epistle
First one shows that the tradition of the church is the same whether oral or written...
Moving the comma could separate tradition to being spoken as compared to scripture (but is not tradition) which is written...
Amen!
See you there!
Nope...That would be true only if God IS the flesh...But he isn't...He was IN(side) the flesh...
Yes, I was actually referring to possibilities beyond the 1,000 years into the unknown future.
That final rebellion, IMHO, will be sheer madness at a level probably never seen before. They will attempt to attack Christ Himself while He’s in Jerusalem on His Rightful Throne.
The numbers of those (billions?) will be staggering that try to.
It is, and I’m just speculating. So I sit back down :)
Are you out of touch, or a little touched?
I did not say mary was the mother of God.
you wrote(Jesus existed BEFORE Mary was even born.)
which is totally wrong.
Christ the son existed but not Jesus.
Now; just WHO will be the actual mother?////////
And what the hell does that have to do with this conversation?
Nope...That would be true only if God IS the flesh...But he isn’t...He was IN(side) the flesh...
you have that right , at the same time you are saying Jesus was not God in the flesh, which I will not argue either way on.
Ah, speculation.......
yes, by most any bible scholor, Clopas is the Hebrew name for
Alphaeus. ping.
Ah, speculation.......
What a great thing to base *truth* on.........
It is a lot more than you have given me, excuses,excuses,
excuses.
So you’re saying that the second person of the trinity is not eternal but came into existance when Mary gave him birth?.........
You know very well I did not say that, Christ is the son.
Jesus become Christ the son in the flesh.
Your knowledge and unbelief is really showing.
Have you ever known anyone who was infallible in their knowledge and understanding of divine revelation?
No wonder. They redefine everything else. Why not that, too?
Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
IMPORTANT, CRUCIAL questions that deserve answers, mm. Which is why they will never answer them. Because you dare to say that PROOF is required first. Just like the BEREANS. Their *proof* could be weighed against the SCRIPTURES to SEE IF THE THINGS THEY PROCLAIM ARE TRUE.
And yes, I’m certain there are several of us who “search the SCRIPTURES daily, to see if those things are so.”
Who knows what a person might find who bothers to look up a poster’s information to double check for accuracy..
And a tip o' the hat to you. Did you expect anybody to disagree with you on that?
I'd only change the word "different" to "contradictory."
There can be "different" things even in the written Gospels (e.g. there are teachings and incidents in John that are not in the Synoptics; there are different wordings for even for the Lord's Prayer in Matthew and Luke; the whole chronology of His ministry varies in the various Gospels) -- but what you don't find is flat-out contradiction on the core "deposit of faith" on doctrine and morals.
The same is true is comparing Apostolic Tradition as it was received, preserved, taught and observed in the various Apostolic Sees, i.e. the churches historically founded by Apostles. The ones that come readily to mind:
If you visualize their Apostolic Traditions as being drawn on clear plastic sheets and then laid atop one another, they don't map on each other point-for-point, but all together they give the same coherent picture, not conradicting one another and not, of course, contradicting the written Tradition (the written NT).
The way I would say it, is that the written Tradition (the 27 books of the NT) and the oral Tradition (the practices, teachings, and beliefs of the Apostolic Churches) are not "identical", but they are ONE: they make up one coherent whole, without internal contradiction. They add up to the same picture. This is because they were handed down by the same people: the Apostles and the church leaders of the Apostolic Era (including second and third generation, like Titus and Timothy and many, many others).
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