On the other hand:
TRIBULATION, RAPTURE, SECOND COMING
The Bible affirms the Church, which is the Body of Christ, will not experience “the Great Tribulation” or “the Time of Jacob’s Trouble.” In this period of divine judgment, God will deal with the spiritual blindness and sins of Israel to restore her to Himself. Daniel 9:24-27 is an important passage describing Israel’s history from the desolation of Jerusalem by Babylon (2 Chronicles 36:15-21) to their restoration and blessing under Christ as their King. Believers of this dispensation are not mentioned in this prophecy or any other relating to Israel’s earthly hope or judgment. Our hope is heavenly for the wrath of God due us was on our wondrous Substitute at Calvary (Romans 8:1, 32-39).
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 states the Day of the Lord, which includes the outpouring of His wrath upon the nations (first 42 months) and Israel, begins at the appearing of “the Man of Sin.” There must be a “taking out of the way” first. Till the Rapture, the work of the Holy Spirit and the presence of the Church restrains the manifestation of this “Wicked One” and therefore God’s wrath.
The Church, having been RAPTURED, will not be God’s witness on earth during that period. 144,000 Jews are raised up preaching a message for the hope of Israel, not the hope of the Church.
In Christ, we are “children of light” and not “of darkness,” saved from the coming wrath appointed for the world (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:2-9).
Revelation 3:1 0 promises, “I will keep thee from the hour of temptation which shall come upon the whole world.” Ours is a “blessed hope,” “a comfort,” an imminent event, “For our citizenship (Young’s Literal) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior (Deliverer), the Lord Jesus Christ” (Philippians 3:20).
Is the “Rapture” distinct from Christ’s return to earth?
The second coming of Christ has two segments: the rapture into the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17); the return onto the earth (Zechariah 14:4). The term “rapture,” from the expression “caught up” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), literally means “to snatch away” “The Lord Himself” (verse 16) comes to catch away into the air both the resurrected and living believers to “be with the Lord” (see John 14:3), for He has “not appointed us to wrath” (ch.5:9, 1:10, and Romans 5:9). In contrast, at His return to earth, the Lord comes accompanied by His saints (Zechariah 14:5, Revelation 19:14) and “His mighty angels” (2 Thessalonians 1:7). At this time, He executes wrath, “taking vengeance on them that know not God” (2 Thessalonians 1:8).
Another distinction in 1 Thessalonians is that Paul saw the Rapture as imminent; it could happen even while he wrote, since “we which are alive” (4:15, 17) included himself. He says the Thessalonians were presently waiting for “His Son from heaven” (1:10, see Titus 2:13). Again, in contrast the return to earth requires fulfilled signs (Matthew 24:3, 6, 15, 21, 29-30) before it will occur. It could not happen today. In addition, the expression, “the coming of the Son of Man” is linked only to His earthly return. Further, the change in both sleeping and living saints at the Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:51-53) was a mystery revealed only in the N.T. It had not been prophesied in O.T. portions regarding our Lord’s return to earth.
Does 2 Thessalonians 2:7 toach that the Spirit of God will no longer be in the world after the Rapture?
Implicit in the question is the truth that the Holy Spirit of God, in His unique relation to the church (John 14:16), is the “Restrainer” in verse 7. This restraint will be removed at the Rapture, allowing the Man of Sin to be “revealed in his time” (verse 6). However, John saw in heaven “a multitude, which no man could number” “which came out of great tribulation” (Revelation 7:9, 14). These, together with the living “sheep” (Matthew 25:33), were born again in the tribulation after the rapture of the Church. The Spirit must then be operating on earth after the Rapture, otherwise individuals could not be born again (John 3:5). Further all that is accomplished for God in the testimony of the 144,000 sealed servants (Revelation 7:4) must be through the energy of the Spirit. The two slain witnesses (Revelation 11:11) must be resurrected by the Spirit of God (see also Romans 8:11).
How will believers during “the tribulation” differ from believers in this age?
Believers during Daniel’s 70th week will receive eternal life (John 3:5, with Ezekiel 36:25) and will enjoy spiritual “New Covenant blessings” (Jeremiah 31:33-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27). They will joyously anticipate the complete fulfillment of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 32:37-41; Ezekiel 36:28). “My Spirit within you” (Ezekiel 36:27) is distinct from the promise to us, “We (Father and Son by the Spirit) will come unto him, and make Our abode with him” (John 14:23). In this age the believer’s body is the temple of the Spirit Who is “in you” (I Corinthians 6:19).
The Bride will have been raptured, therefore tribulation believers are not “in Christ” or “one with Christ” (Ephesians 2:13-18; 5:30-32).
3 Distinct Days:
The Day of Christ
Read the three references to the Day of Christ in Philippians 1:6, 1:10, and 2:16. When Paul mentions the Day of Christ, he is referring to the Lord’s coming to the air to catch away His people, the Church, and to subsequent events in heaven. This coming is the event that the Lord referred to in John 14:1-6. “And if I go … I will come again and receive you unto Myself.” There are three references to the Lord’s coming in John’s gospel and they all refer to the rapture of the Church! (11:25, 14:1-6, 21:22). We get a more complete picture of the rapture of the Church in Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians. “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words” (4:13-18 ESV).
Notice first the reason: “Jesus died and rose again.” This is the great foundation of the teaching that follows. Notice the return: “The Lord Himself will descend from heaven.” Then consider the resurrection of those who have died in Christ and the rapture of the living saints: “The dead in Christ shall rise first; then we who are alive.” See then the reunion: “Caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.” Other passages teach us that this will be followed by review and reward. So the Day of Christ refers to the Church, to heaven, and to reward.
We want to show now that the Day of the Lord refers to Israel, the nations, the earth, and retribution.
The Day of the Lord
The Day of the Lord is frequently referred to in the Old Testament. While Paul had written about the Day of Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, he changed his focus in 5:1-3 and wrote, “Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, ‘There is peace and security,’ then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape” (1Thes 5:1-3 ESV). In the Day of Christ Paul dealt with delight and in the Day of the Lord with destruction.
Listen also to Jude’s words about the Day of the Lord: “It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, ‘Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against Him’” (Jude 1:14-15 ESV). There has been some confusion over the reading of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. We believe it should read as in the NASB, ESV, and JND: “Now we beg you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, nor troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as [if it were] by us, as that the day of the Lord is present. Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because [it will not be] unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition (2Thes 2:1-3 Darby). Notice first Paul’s teaching about the events in the Day of Christ, “The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our gathering together unto Him.” That is clearly what will happen when He comes for His Church; we will be gathered together unto Him. But these believers in Thessalonica had been told by false teachers that the Day of the Lord was present, and that this accounted for the intense persecution they were suffering. Paul tells them of the necessary precursors of the Day of the Lord. They were clearly not living in the Day of the Lord. That day will be marked by events far more calamitous than the Thessalonians were experiencing. The Day of the Lord includes much more than His appearing when He comes to the earth for it will encompass subsequent events on earth.
It is helpful to note that all the references to the coming of the Lord in the synoptic gospels are references to the Lord’s coming in judgment. The rapture of the Church is not mentioned in these first three gospels.
The Day of God
There is another prophetic day. Peter writes, “Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to His promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells” (2Peter 3:11-13 ESV).
The Day of God takes us further ahead and into the eternal state. In the millennium, righteousness will reign. In the eternal Day of God, righteousness will dwell. How should we then behave as these truths hold us? “Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by Him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2Peter 3:14; ESV).
But most here believe Jesus is going to beat His bride.
Think rapture refers to souls or spirits if you will. Ressurection is physical. So for example: a soul can transfer light years (rapture), and then be positioned into a physical form (resurrection). Or rapture is beaming in Star Trek, and ressurection is being reassembled in the transporter. Lol.
I don't believe there is any scripture that says any in the Tribulation will be born again...It does say however that they will be saved...