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To: Mrs. Don-o
I believe God IS ONE. Jesus taught us (John 14) that if the disciples have seen Jesus they have seen the father for He is in The Father and The Father is in Him. How can this be? ...

Jesus told Philip that all he could see of the Father was what Philip could see in Jesus. It works like this: the dimensional limits of Philip's physical and spiritual existence were such that he could see only where God intersected his limits, as Jesus. That is how Jesus is God witrh us. Then Jesus also told His disciples after He had risen and was about to ascend that He would send The Holy Spirit (not named that way but understood) to instruct them in all things. This spiritual 'upgrade' can only be done by God, as God the Holy Spirit. That's three ways we actualize God, Who Is One manifesting according to the limits of the Universe He Created. So yes, I definitely believe in the Trinity, the three perspectives we can comprehend of The One God.

Now, when Catholicism affords to a created being god-like powers and titles like mediatrix and co-redemptrix, such as The Mother of the human body GOD indwelt as the man, Christ Jesus, I call heresy and to even hint that The One God needs the 'help' of a created being who has died, in order to manage prayers and to carry messages to HIM as JESUS THE CHRIST, well that's flat out blasphemy.

On a further note, conflating The Body of All Believers since Pentecost Spirit Day, with any Org. by using the phrase The Church' meaning an Org but purposely misleading folks to make the connection as if ONLY the Org is the body of all believers, well, that is purposed deception.

The Body of Christ is made up of ALL those born from above by the Holy SPirit, and the members can be found in many denominations, even Catholic churches. It is This Body of believers to whom Paul makes reference as being Raptured away from this planet when He, The Lord Christ, comes down into the first Heaven and calls forth the dead in Christ and the living who are His (born from above by their profession and 'faithing' in Him. (1 Thess 4:13-17) That Body to which Paul refers is the One True Church, the Body of Christ (which Paul references when in writing to the Corinthians he sought to clarify the Remembrance of the Lord's Supper). As you know, the term / word Ekklesia has been translated in English as church. It is not specifically the Catholic Church, or the Lutheran Church, or the Episcopal (spit) Church, etc. It is the One True Church of the Living God Whose Head in the Lord Christ. THAT BODY of BELIEVERS is not an ORG such as the Catholic Org.

822 posted on 06/20/2019 5:20:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
OK, I was just trying to determine if you believed in the Holy Trinity as expressed by the Nicene Creed: three distinct divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, coinfinite, coeternal, coequal, sharing in one divine nature, One undivided Godhead; and Jesus as one of those Three Divine Persons, having two natures,one Divine and one human.

You seem to have a different understanding, (correct me if I am misstating this), of basically one Divine Person who can be considered by us from three different perspectives.

That is, (direct quote) "the three perspectives we can comprehend of The One God." Or (another direct quote) "Three different ways that we actualize God."

Is that correct?

(I won't comment now on what you imagine Catholics think of Mary--- that's a different topic for later.)

But just on the Trinity, does what I said reflect what you believe?

824 posted on 06/20/2019 6:15:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: MHGinTN
OK, I was just trying to determine if you believed in the Holy Trinity as expressed by the Nicene Creed: three distinct divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, coinfinite, coeternal, coequal, sharing in one divine nature, One undivided Godhead; and Jesus as one of those Three Divine Persons, having two natures,one Divine and one human.

You seem to have an understanding which is quite different from the above, (correct me if I am misstating this). YOu seem o think there is one Divine Person (God) who can be considered by us from three different perspectives. That is, (direct quote) "the three perspectives we can comprehend of The One God." Or (another direct quote) "Three different ways that we actualize God."

Is that correct? (I won't comment now on what you imagine Catholics think of Mary--- that's a different topic for later.) But just on the Trinity, does what I said in the box, above, accurately reflect what you believe?

825 posted on 06/20/2019 6:20:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: MHGinTN; Mrs. Don-o

“The Body of Christ is made up of ALL those born from above by the Holy SPirit, and the members can be found in many denominations, even Catholic churches....”

I believe that, too. And I’ve wondered lately if those who are born from above while remaining in the Catholic Church throughout their lives here are something like the nine of Jesus’ twelve disciples, who were close to Him and knew Him, but not nearly as close as Peter, James and John, or perhaps they were even more distant still, like the other unnamed disciples Jesus had. Many in those groups also fell away because they just didn’t really know the Lord, either. In any case, I believe that there are far more people who are very close to the Lord and experience knowing Him in evangelical Protestant churches than there are in the Roman Catholic church. Through the Bible the Lord reveals Himself to us and teaches us about Himself, and through meditating on His Living Word that life in His Word works in us. If we are drawn to Him, too, we’ll want to know Him better through His Word.


851 posted on 06/21/2019 8:12:15 AM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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