Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
Paul received direct revelation from the Lord, and most of what he wrote was written directly as Scripture. And while God also inspired the actual writing of Truths from oral tradition, this not only does not mean that those orally passed-down truths were all given under plenary inspiration of God (any more than in the case of quoting pagan prophets), but it also cannot mean that all that is passed down orally is wholly inspired of God.
The reality is that oral tradition is by nature unreliable, being supremely subject to corruption, while as can be more shown, God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of authoritative preservation.
And yet since some of Scripture consistent of teachings and records that were passed down, orally or in some form of writing, the issue is on what basis are those who be accepted as being from God, versus all that claims to be from God, whether orally passed down or in writing.
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AND at Trent, when Roman Catholicism dogmatically declared their canon, they could have added them to the canon.
That they didn't is telling.
Hebrews likely was originally a synagogue address, but 2 Peter 3:15 (And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you) indicates Paul was the author (which Trent also said), yet the style is very different than seen in all of (passionate) Paul's letters (including always identifying himself as the author, and can indicate that the polished eloquence of it was thru the instrumentation of another.
Which means that once again, it is the written version that God chose to preserve, and that this best conveys what God wanted to reveal to man as the pure word of God.
When was the last time you saw distinctively Protestant OPEN threads of articles promoting a uniquely "one true church" or openly attacking Catholic beliefs," while how many RCs have done the like for Rome and against Protestantism, while how many Prots have been zotted for posting articles attacking Rome, versus RCs for attacking Protestantism? Double standard liberalism?
But how man articles like Happy excommunication day Martin Luther excommunicated did not receive many Catholics contentions?
OK, answer me that. I don’t generally go to Protestant threads, so I don’t know how many have run up 500+ tit-for-tats fueled by aggressive Catholics. Care to say?
From what I've experienced on these threads is that the Roman Catholic, as a general rule, does not want to deal with any critique of their denomination.
Some RCs, have openly called for threads to be pulled that were critical of Roman Catholicism.
Some RCs, have cried to mgt about "Catholic bashing", though they overlook the daily posts against their pope by fellow RCs.
Some posters have been banned, either short term or permanent, from posting even in open forums against Roman Catholicism.
I personally have been subjected to the above.
I will say though in your defense, you do participate in these threads.
I personally enjoy the interaction and discussion. I have learned a tremendous amount from these threads.
I, like you, ealgeone, can enjoy a good discussion (and a hat tip to you, daniel1212, for going to sources). I try to keep in mind "bear wrongs patiently, forgive all injuries," but I do not tolerate being told I am a liar and a blasphemer, that I am frothing-drooling-spitting-pussing out diabolical obstinacy-delusion-deceit-madness.
I think tolerating personal calumny is wrong, because it may lure the offender into ever more reckless sin. Dishing or tolerating abusive language is certainly the opposite of the edification of the minds and souls of those whom, in Christ, we love.
Do I read you right? You believe Christians should tolerate heresies and blasphemies and not defend the Gospel as offered in The Word of God?
No, you are not reading me right.
Why don’t you clarify then?
But where do you see a Protestant article such titled "Mary is not the Rope Jesus Chose To Reel Us In?" And while a thread like "Becoming Catholic" also can see hundreds of responses, where do you see any threads by Protestants that present their church as uniquely being the one true church, with distinctive doctrines? ,
The Mormons who did that here also saw multitudes of Protestants replies, as such a elitist claim is worthy of censure, yet traditional Catholics present themselves as victims while promoting and defending their arrogant claim and teachings that do not rest upon the weight of Scriptural substantiation for their veracity. Yet unlike the Mormons, it has been Protestants who have been censured from posting articles attacking Rome, while they have attacked Protestantism.
but I do not tolerate being told I am a liar and a blasphemer, that I am frothing-drooling-spitting-pussing out diabolical obstinacy-delusion-deceit-madness.
Well, not all of that.
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Patiently correcting error is one of the works of mercy. It comes under "instructing the ignorant," and it is done in that spirit, mercy.
As Paul tells his catechists:
"Do not speak harshly to an older man,[a] but speak to him as to a father, to younger men as brothers, 2 to older women as mothers, to younger women as sisters—with absolute purity.""But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children. So, affectionately longing for you, we were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives, because you had become dear to us."
"We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed. But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God, in much patience."
"Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.
But you, O man of God, pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness."
OK. I finally found something that I think, although not exactly what I was looking for, is acceptable. This should answer your question regarding “earning” Heaven.
http://www.catholicrebuttals.com/earning-heaven.html
Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
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“I do not tolerate being told I am a liar and a blasphemer, that I am frothing-drooling-spitting-pussing out diabolical obstinacy-delusion-deceit-madness”
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