Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.
Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?
No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.
Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.
Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. …
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17
She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.
We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".
Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.
When there’s beer, let me know.
A large portion of the nt was written by people who never met Jesus that is my point. At least Luke and Paul were never present for any of his teaching. Therefore most of it was oral tradition which is unreliable by protestant standards.
He doesn't list them, but it doesn't matter. The point is he is saying their teachings are by word of mouth or by letter
Well, yes it does matter as Roman Catholicism has taken great liberties with this verse.
>>Hint...context is your friend in trying to answer this question.<<
Your context? No thanks.
Didn't think you'd be able to answer....to date no Roman Catholic has.
The Holy Spirit inspired it.
That’s where he got it.
Catholics just love to justify their oral tradition so much that they will take any verbal utterances and declare it’s *tradition*.
Which is ridiculous because something does not become tradition simply because someone spoke it.
Also, you do not know the Scripture you claim your church gave us very well. Paul did lay eyes on Jesus and it blinded him.
Catholicism does not own the Bible although no doubt they would love to so they can better control it and those who want to read it.
So what is missing out of Scripture that we need for salvation or growth in our Christian walk that Catholicism feels the need to add to it? Why do t you all consider it deficient and then try to convince us that whatever you add to it is necessary?
And why should we trust you all now? If Catholicism didn’t get it right with the Bible that it needs adding to, why should we trust you now? What reason is there to think that you all got it right or did any better the next two thousand years around?
Is whats in the Bible not enough for y’all that you feel the need to add to it?
Did God not do a good enough job that He now needs your help?
Which liberties are those?
By the way, how is it you spell eagle?
Well I guess the thinking would be that if you don’t know what Scripture says, then there’s no danger of being accountable to obey it.
What traditions are those that were not written down?
How do you know they are from the apostles?
How do you know they were passed down faithfully and without corruption?
Please provide links to verify your claims.
Oh boo hoo, I didn’t think it worthwhile to reply to self contradictory nonsense.
Your first link said directly that we’re not saved by our works, and now all you’re proving is that you’re unreliable when citing sources.
When you provide an actual statement of theology from EO and not some random opinion site, I might listen. Until then you’re full of excrement.
It is a fact that Paul says "we" (not just Paul) taught traditions both by word or by letter. You answer. What traditions are those Paul says he taught them?
We’ll be praying for you Laz!
Sounds like you need it.
Catholics are the ones claiming to know the traditions.
That’s YOU wuestion to answer.
sigh....
question
So you don't have an answer either?
One simple question. Why do you believe scripture is inspired and that God let the same people pervert oral tradition? Wouldn’t it make sense to protect both? In reality he had to since most of the writers weren’t there and there was no bible, he had to protect oral tradition
And in the meantime, my sources say that EO believes that salvation is a free gift from God. Which Protestants believe as well. Only difference is that we come at the same truth from different angles: the truth being that saving faith results in a change of life that transforms the sinner into a Christ-like person.
It’s only Roman Catholics that say that you have to ‘merit graces’ like eternal life through works.
spelled that way for a reason.
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