Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.
Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?
No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.
Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.
Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. …
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17
She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.
We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".
Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.
wow....i hope you’re never at anyone’s death bed or a funeral.
+1
I hope you never lie.
So, what, you’re going to tell me that the CCC means the exact opposite of what it actually says?
I suppose you’re used to Roman Catholic doublethink, but the rest of us deal in actual TRUTH.
And the truth is that your catechism says that we have to earn our salvation by works. Doesn’t matter that it claims that God helps along; it’s the opposite of the EO belief, just like I said.
Shall I post more quotes or are you sick of being proven wrong?
Why?
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24 NASB
I'm taking Him at His word.
As stated in post 26 and worth repeating, here’s Mary’s own statement regarding her need for a savior:
Like 1:46-47:
“And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
I can't help it if truth is obtuse to you. Don't try to twist a verse of scripture to mean that you know if someone else is saved because of something they said. You don't.
You either believe His promise or not.
But that's not what we were talking about. We were discussing whether a 3rd party is saved because of something he said. And since we don't know his heart, we don't know if he is saved.
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24 NASB
But that's not the issue. Even though someone says they believe Him, do they really? Words alone aren't enough for you or me to know the salvation status of someone else. Only God knows what is in his heart.
Yes, context. And the context you set is not whether I believe His promise, but whether we can know someone else's salvation status based only on a single comment they utter. But we can't know. The Lord looks at the heart and knows, which we can't do.
The ELCA is an apostate social club that meets on Sundays and has no connection with the Truth. I care what they consider full communion about as much as I care what the Romans consider full communion. None have any bearing on my life or salvation.
No, I'm telling you what the Catechism actually says. Whether you understand it or not is up to you.
You didn't answer. Do you believe as the Orthodox:
"A person is justified by works and not by faith alone”
Good grief.
You can’t even decide if a person has eternal life or not even though Scripture says one can know.
I take it you're not in full communion with them. That's the point I was making about someone else's claim regarding Protestants not deciding whether they are in communion with other churches or not. There are indeed Protestants who have closed communion. Another example, besides the ELCA, is the LCMS which is in fellowship with only certain synods.
Show me where Scripture says we can know the status of someone else's salvation based on a single thing the say when you don't know, and can't know, if they truly believe what they've said.
I'm sorry you think you know the salvation status of other people.
We're supposed to be living a life of belief in Yeshua (I.E. keeping the very same commandments he kept)
Are you a Christian who believes in the Holy Trinity?
You don’t even believe the basic promise of Christ when He says you can have eternal life. The concept of the Trinity is way beyond you.
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